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Old 05-23-2009, 11:53 AM   #1
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Have you guys heard about this supplement called GABA, or gamma-aminobutyric acid? Is a neurotransmitter in the brain, supplementation helps induce relaxation, sleep and higher growth hormone levels. A study I saw showed the people who took the GABA had 5x higher GH levels than those who didn't take it!

"If oral GABA reaches the brain in any significant amount it should act as a tranquilizer"

Anyone know a lot amount this supplement? I'm reading about it and the research sounds controversial. I'm wondering if the tingling associated with large amounts is harmful in any way.

This seems like a very useful supplement that when taken orally before a workout or before bed will increase growth hormone levels significantly. I'll be purchasing 100 grams of it soon.
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Slow Wave Sleep (SWS) enhancers

SWS & GH release

There are two types of sleep, rapid eye movement (REM) and non-rapid eye movement (NREM). Sleep proceeds in cycles composed of four types of stages of NREM and a stage of REM usually ordered as: 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 3 > 2 > REM

The cycle lasts on average 90 to 110 minutes, with a greater quantity of stages 3 and 4 experienced early in the night and more REM later in the night.

NREM accounts for 75–80% of total sleep time. Non-REM is comprised of four stages; stages 1 and 2 are considered 'light sleep', and 3 and 4 'deep sleep' or slow-wave sleep (SWS).

It has been shown that sleep, more specifically slow-wave sleep (SWS), does affect growth hormone levels in adult men. During eight hours sleep, it has been demonstrated in several studies that the men with a high percentage of SWS (average 24%) also had high growth hormone secretion, while subjects with a low percentage of SWS (average 9%) had low growth hormone secretion.

In one very complete study referenced by several others, it was demonstrated that “GH secretory rates and peripheral GH concentrations were maximally correlated with sleep stage, with lags of 4.5 and 16 min, respectively, suggesting that maximal GH release occurs within minutes of the onset of stage 3 or 4 sleep”.

Furthermore “sleep-related augmentation of GH secretion… usually occurs around midnight and the GH levels at that time are, as a rule, at their highest during the 24-hour period. Partially, this phenomenon is time-entrained and partially related to sleep itself. It is associated with a slow wave sleep, and the maximal GH levels occur within minutes of the onset of slow wave sleep” -Holl RW, Hartman ML, Veldhuis JD, et al. Thirty-second sampling of plasma growth hormone in man: correlation with sleep stages. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1991;72:854–61.


The origin of nocturnal GH release in humans is still unknown. Most likely hypothalamic GHRH release is a major contributing component, but an additional role of another factor, presumably augmenting GHRH responsiveness of the somatotrophs, is likely. However the precise explanatory mechanisms are still not fully identified.

It is worth reiterating though that nocturnal release of GH makes up only a fraction of the total daily GH release in women, but the bulk of GH output in men.

Gaba & its derivatives

Gamma-amino butyric acid (GABA) is an amino acid and the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system and the retinas of humans, which regulates muscle tone and other functions. It is also chiefly an excitatory neurotransmitter in most species.

GABA taken orally has been purported to increase the amount of the Human Growth Hormone. One such study demonstrated that gram amounts “induced clear-cut GH increments in plasma with a peak after 60–90 minutes”. The results of those studies have been seldom replicated, and have recently been in question since it is unknown whether GABA can pass the blood-brain barrier. However GABA derivitives when taken in injected form have been shown to both pass the blood-brain barrier and have a pronounced GH secretory effect.

At various times & in various studies GABA has been found to both inhibit GH release and exacerbate it. This contradiction is explained as… “inhibition of the GH release stimulated by GABA and its ability to raise baseline GH share the same basic mechanism, i.e., an action through dopaminergic (DA) neurons. Continuous stimulation of central nervous system (CNS-DA) receptors by GABA mimetics through DA release would ultimately lead to a state of partial refractoriness to DA-mediated events…”

The key then appears to be the avoidance of continuous stimulation of the central nervous system.

Two derivatives of GABA, gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid (GABOB) and gamma- hydroxy butyric acid (GHB) have been shown to increase GH secretion as well.

PGH (akaTyric-6)

PGH (Tyric-6) is a gaba-derivative injectable growth hormone stimulate that simply contains:

GABA - a neurotransmitter with a stabilizing role in the brain that has a calming effect. GABA also under certain circumstances increases levels of human growth hormone; and

GABOB - This has been used in the treatment of epilepsy, but it is a legal molecule that is very similar to GHB (a now illegal molecule) without GHBs negative effects; and

Magnesium amino-bromohydrate - An essential mineral which enhances the effect of GABA & GABOB.

The key to understanding why pGH (Tyric-6) is an effective GH releaser is recognizing that GHB (and presumably GABOB as well as GABA in certain circumstances) enhances both slow wave sleep and GH release. - Van Cauter E, Plat L, Scharf MB, et al. Simultaneous stimulation of slow-wave sleep and growth hormone secretion by gamma-hydroxybutyrate in normal young men. J Clin Invest 1997;100:745–53.

While GHB is illegal and not a component of PGH, its similarly structured brother GABOB has been shown to enhance slow wave sleep as well as increase GH. “Significant increases of prolactin and GH plasma levels were observed after injection with 100 mg GABOB”. - Gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid stimulates prolactin and growth hormone release in normal women, P Fioretti,… Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 47, 1336-1340

In another study an intrathecal injection of 300 mg of L-GABOB to cerebrovascular patients caused significant increases in plasma GH, prolactin and cortisol levels at 60 min after injection. These results indicate that GABOB may elicit the secretion of GH, prolactin and ACTH via the central nervous system. - Stimulatory Effects of Gamma-Aminohydroxybutyric Acid (GABOB) on Growth Hormone, Prolactin and Cortisol Release in Man, J. Takahara…


Although the data is sparse and GABA studies as they relate to GH release no longer occur it appears that injectable forms of GABA & its derivatives enhance SWS (slow wave sleep) which is the time period GH is secreted. Since the majority of GH release is secreted in the first early round of SWS it seems that administration of PGH (GABA & GABOB) by injection just prior to sleep will enhance restful sleep and increase the GH secretory pulse.

Over the last few years anectdotal feedback from users including myself report both of these occurances. A protocol involving taken periodic breaks from use appears to be sufficient to promote continued effectiveness.

PGH is a simple, safe and effective compound whose ingredients may be purchased easily over the counter. GABA is sold in most supplement stores, while GABOB is harder to source but is available with international sourcing likely being less expensive.

Of course pGH is available from a research chemical facility and if purchased already assembled need only be reconstituted in Bacteriastatic Water prior to use.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:15 PM   #3
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I'd run it before bed as your greates GH pulse is at night...


The tingling in the hands is a common side of GH use, caused by a swelling that impinges or presses upon nerves in the hand.
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it works well many studies, start with around 1g pwo and work up too 4-5g you can get like a tingly burning sensation from it which lasts for a few mins at most, here is an article i pulled from datbtrues peptide article on another site

Gamma-amino butyric acid (GABA) is an amino acid and the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system and the retinas of humans, which regulates muscle tone and other functions. It is also chiefly an excitatory neurotransmitter in most species.

GABA taken orally has been purported to increase the amount of the Human Growth Hormone. One such study demonstrated that gram amounts “induced clear-cut GH increments in plasma with a peak after 60–90 minutes”. The results of those studies have been seldom replicated, and have recently been in question since it is unknown whether GABA can pass the blood-brain barrier. However GABA derivitives when taken in injected form have been shown to both pass the blood-brain barrier and have a pronounced GH secretory effect.

At various times & in various studies GABA has been found to both inhibit GH release and exacerbate it. This contradiction is explained as… “inhibition of the GH release stimulated by GABA and its ability to raise baseline GH share the same basic mechanism, i.e., an action through dopaminergic (DA) neurons. Continuous stimulation of central nervous system (CNS-DA) receptors by GABA mimetics through DA release would ultimately lead to a state of partial refractoriness to DA-mediated events…”

The key then appears to be the avoidance of continuous stimulation of the central nervous system.

Two derivatives of GABA, gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid (GABOB) and gamma- hydroxy butyric acid (GHB) have been shown to increase GH secretion as well.

PGH (akaTyric-6)

PGH (Tyric-6) is a gaba-derivative injectable growth hormone stimulate that simply contains:

GABA - a neurotransmitter with a stabilizing role in the brain that has a calming effect. GABA also under certain circumstances increases levels of human growth hormone; and

GABOB - This has been used in the treatment of epilepsy, but it is a legal molecule that is very similar to GHB (a now illegal molecule) without GHBs negative effects; and

Magnesium amino-bromohydrate - An essential mineral which enhances the effect of GABA & GABOB.

The key to understanding why pGH (Tyric-6) is an effective GH releaser is recognizing that GHB (and presumably GABOB as well as GABA in certain circumstances) enhances both slow wave sleep and GH release. - Van Cauter E, Plat L, Scharf MB, et al. Simultaneous stimulation of slow-wave sleep and growth hormone secretion by gamma-hydroxybutyrate in normal young men. J Clin Invest 1997;100:745–53.

While GHB is illegal and not a component of PGH, its similarly structured brother GABOB has been shown to enhance slow wave sleep as well as increase GH. “Significant increases of prolactin and GH plasma levels were observed after injection with 100 mg GABOB”. - Gamma-amino-beta-hydroxy butyric acid stimulates prolactin and growth hormone release in normal women, P Fioretti,… Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 47, 1336-1340

In another study an intrathecal injection of 300 mg of L-GABOB to cerebrovascular patients caused significant increases in plasma GH, prolactin and cortisol levels at 60 min after injection. These results indicate that GABOB may elicit the secretion of GH, prolactin and ACTH via the central nervous system. - Stimulatory Effects of Gamma-Aminohydroxybutyric Acid (GABOB) on Growth Hormone, Prolactin and Cortisol Release in Man, J. Takahara…


Although the data is sparse and GABA studies as they relate to GH release no longer occur it appears that injectable forms of GABA & its derivatives enhance SWS (slow wave sleep) which is the time period GH is secreted. Since the majority of GH release is secreted in the first early round of SWS it seems that administration of PGH (GABA & GABOB) by injection just prior to sleep will enhance restful sleep and increase the GH secretory pulse.

Over the last few years anectdotal feedback from users including myself report both of these occurances. A protocol involving taken periodic breaks from use appears to be sufficient to promote continued effectiveness.

PGH is a simple, safe and effective compound whose ingredients may be purchased easily over the counter. GABA is sold in most supplement stores, while GABOB is harder to source but is available with international sourcing likely being less expensive.

Of course pGH is available from a research chemical facility and if purchased already assembled need only be reconstituted in Bacteriastatic Water prior to use.
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haha mindstar beat me too it =\
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nice Info MindStar and MusicMan!!

yea mike, i have used it and the x-dream has it in the mix also, i have used it as a stand alone powder form that you take right before bed and now in the new sleep supplements,
seems to help with sleep, and the sides are mild in the first 5-10 min of usage from the powder itself form,
dont have any of those side effects in the x-dream or a new one i just got called Knockout made by scivation,another sleep aid..
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i took the NOW foods GABA a couple of times i only took .5 grams and i lost my mind each time, i mean i fell asleep but one time my cell phone started ringing at like 2am i was sleeping but i woke up looked at it started screaming as loud as i could and threw my cell phone at the wall really hard and ran outta my room screaming, my mom and sister almost had heart attacks and theres a little hole in my wall where i threw the phone and one night i tore the hole in the drywall even bigger, its wierd cuz i kinda remember doing it but i was having a dream while doing it but i cant remember the dream at all but i kno i thought the drywall was something totally different in my dream and yea i tore out 2 pretty big pieces.........its funny now but ill never take it again lol
 
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i took the NOW foods GABA a couple of times i only took .5 grams and i lost my mind each time, i mean i fell asleep but one time my cell phone started ringing at like 2am i was sleeping but i woke up looked at it started screaming as loud as i could and threw my cell phone at the wall really hard and ran outta my room screaming, my mom and sister almost had heart attacks and theres a little hole in my wall where i threw the phone and one night i tore the hole in the drywall even bigger, its wierd cuz i kinda remember doing it but i was having a dream while doing it but i cant remember the dream at all but i kno i thought the drywall was something totally different in my dream and yea i tore out 2 pretty big pieces.........its funny now but ill never take it again lol
Ok, you are making this up. GABA didn't make you do that, you're just a moron.
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i took the NOW foods GABA a couple of times i only took .5 grams and i lost my mind each time, i mean i fell asleep but one time my cell phone started ringing at like 2am i was sleeping but i woke up looked at it started screaming as loud as i could and threw my cell phone at the wall really hard and ran outta my room screaming, my mom and sister almost had heart attacks and theres a little hole in my wall where i threw the phone and one night i tore the hole in the drywall even bigger, its wierd cuz i kinda remember doing it but i was having a dream while doing it but i cant remember the dream at all but i kno i thought the drywall was something totally different in my dream and yea i tore out 2 pretty big pieces.........its funny now but ill never take it again lol
boy thats just plain odd, pretty sure its not from the GABA, just does not work that way.. s
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Im currently taking White Flood before my workouts, and that contains some GABA. Can't really tell if it has much of an influence or not, its hard to tell
 
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Im currently taking White Flood before my workouts, and that contains some GABA. Can't really tell if it has much of an influence or not, its hard to tell
im not sure how many mg it has in it, but an effective dose is about 3-5grams
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Yea, its hard to tell cuz all the supp. companies hide it under 'proprietary blends'
 
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Ok, you are making this up. GABA didn't make you do that, you're just a moron.
Hey man he asked about experiences with it and that was my experience...thinking about it now im pretty sure i did those things because i was in a very deep dreamy sleep and yea i exaggerated on the running outta the room thing but i did wakeup and scream for a second
 
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Hey man he asked about experiences with it and that was my experience...thinking about it now im pretty sure i did those things because i was in a very deep dreamy sleep and yea i exaggerated on the running outta the room thing but i did wakeup and scream for a second
Well, sorry for calling you a moron lol. I get you if you had a crazy dream, I just wanted to point out that the GABA didn't do it lol.
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