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Old 03-14-2009, 04:37 PM   #1
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hey guys, i'm not sure if this is the right section, but I just bought these b-12 pills. I'm guessing you take them pre-workout, right? How long is a good time before- half an hour? And do I have to cycle these at all ?
 
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hey guys, i'm not sure if this is the right section, but I just bought these b-12 pills. I'm guessing you take them pre-workout, right? How long is a good time before- half an hour? And do I have to cycle these at all ?
why are you taking them in the first place??
Vitamin B12 is clearly beneficial for treating a deficiency and problems related to a deficiency, such as pernicious anemia. However, it is also claimed to provide several other health benefits, such as:

Treating the following conditions:

Asthma
Allergies
High levels of homocysteine (hyperhomocysteinemia)
Heart disease
Infertility (in both men and women)
Diabetes
Memory loss
Sleeping problems
Alzheimer's disease
Depression
Osteoporosis
Inflammation of a tendon (tendonitis)
AIDS
Inflammatory bowel disease (such as Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis)
Loss of skin pigment (vitiligo)
Lou Gehrig's disease
Multiple sclerosis (MS)
Gum disease
Ringing in the ears (tinnitus)
Liver disease
Kidney disease
Cancer
Psoriasis
Eczema
Lyme disease

Preventing cervical cancer
Improving concentration
Relieving fatigue.

Many of the claimed health benefits of vitamin B12 have little or no supporting scientific evidence, especially for people without a documented deficiency
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Old 03-14-2009, 06:22 PM   #3
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Don't they give u energy pre-workout?
 
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Don't they give u energy pre-workout?
i have never heard this before......not saying your wrong....just never heard
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yeah b-12 will give u energy before workout if your still a virgin to caffeine.

b-12 and caffeine is how most of the energy u see advertise are made. 7 hour 5 hour

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Old 03-14-2009, 09:07 PM   #6
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So does anyone recommend using this at all
 
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It's just a vitamin; it won't make you or break you. If you've already bought them, use them. If you haven't, I'd pass unless you have a specific need. Some folks can't get to sleep quickly after taking B12, so if you work out in the evening, I wouldn't take it.
 
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I've taken up to about 5g pre workout and throughout the day and it's been beneficial. It does increase protein synthesis, increases red blood cell count (so you can carry more hemoglobin in the blood and increase performance), and gives you good energy (essentially relating to the increase hg carrying capacity). It's one of the best things I've ever taken, but I've taken sub-lingual b-12, not the pills.
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I've taken up to about 5g pre workout and throughout the day and it's been beneficial. It does increase protein synthesis, increases red blood cell count (so you can carry more hemoglobin in the blood and increase performance), and gives you good energy (essentially relating to the increase hg carrying capacity). It's one of the best things I've ever taken, but I've taken sub-lingual b-12, not the pills.
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vitamin b12 combine with b1 b3 volic acid b6 b15 these r very important vitamins!
increse protein syntezis increase the red blood sells increse hemoglobin afect some important hormons and etc ....read zacks post again!carefullllllllllyyy!
all vitamins b r imortant in for bb!
vitamins b combine with vitamin A and vit E and vit C have anabolic effect in ur body!thats means this will help u to grow big.same thing is with minerals.
do not estimate vitamins and minerals!
i know i lot of guys who buy themselfes vitamins and minerals and drink them after a mounth the asked me.....man i took vitamins but i do not see any difference! then i asked them what vitamins do they take and in what dose?
and i see that they take in lower dose!
there is difference between a regular guy and a guy who train his ass of in the guym.
thats why the normal multy vitamins r in lower dose couse they do not need more! but huys like us need 2or 3 times over daly dose!
now the question is what r the right dosege for all vitamins!
animal pak have god dosege ......... buy one or just serch his ingredients in the net and buy another product with the same ingredients and dosege.
but never i say never INCRESE THE DOSE IF U HAVE NOW IDIA WHAT R U DOING! NEVER DO THIS! as long as u take vitamins like animal pak it is ok for u.

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Old 03-15-2009, 11:13 AM   #10
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I have not heard about B-12 giving you energy but I certainly know it is beneficial to your spinal chord, your immune system and your central nervous sytem.
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I like these responces, but lets not forget the original post; he's asking about the run-of-the-mill B12 vitamins you can get at any store, and the effects of taking them.

I am pro-vitamins; I take vitamins; but lets not forget that vitamins are supplements to food. If you are a weight lifter, and if you're on a weight lifting diet, you probably already get ample B12. Beef, chicken, pork, eggs, milk, cheese, and yogurt are all sources of B12. As I look at everyone's diet in the nutrition section, all I see people eating is the above list. So I'm not convinced that anyone who eats well is in need of B12.

However, there are lifestyles that can deplete B12. If you're not eating enough meat, you might need a B12 supplement. If you smoke, you might need a B12 supplement. If you're health overall is poor, B12 might help. But I wouldn't make a blanket statement that people should take B12.

Do you have nerve damage, numbness in the hands and feet, pins and needles, weakness in the legs, pale skin, poor memory, or poor muscle coordination? If yes to any of these, then you might have a B12 deficiency.

IMO, a person should look at their problem areas, find out the cause, and supplement from there. If you do it the other way around, by looking at what a vitamin can do for you regardless of whether it's a real "need", then you'll end up taking every vitamin on the market.
 
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no need to use just for health beneftis not pre workout
 
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I take B12 and B6 every morning...But I use them because I always wake up in the morning with numb and hurting hands and my aunt claims it would help me.
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N.O products contain heavy amounts of B vits im guessing thats why you bought it,

The B12 will be benifitial whether you get a result you can see or feel you will have to find out for yourself
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i reckon O.N. protein is ok but i'm taking Next Generation Protein and it's way better i reckon was recommend by a personal traininer.

he says that O.N. and Dytamize are cheap stuff just good marketing heaps of better stuff out there
 
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I've probably taken enough B-12 and B-6 at once to kill a horse..
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So what is it exactly that you reckon? I'm a little confused as to where you're bringing in whey proteins into this for? lol
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I like these responces, but lets not forget the original post; he's asking about the run-of-the-mill B12 vitamins you can get at any store, and the effects of taking them.

I am pro-vitamins; I take vitamins; but lets not forget that vitamins are supplements to food. If you are a weight lifter, and if you're on a weight lifting diet, you probably already get ample B12. Beef, chicken, pork, eggs, milk, cheese, and yogurt are all sources of B12. As I look at everyone's diet in the nutrition section, all I see people eating is the above list. So I'm not convinced that anyone who eats well is in need of B12.

However, there are lifestyles that can deplete B12. If you're not eating enough meat, you might need a B12 supplement. If you smoke, you might need a B12 supplement. If you're health overall is poor, B12 might help. But I wouldn't make a blanket statement that people should take B12.

Do you have nerve damage, numbness in the hands and feet, pins and needles, weakness in the legs, pale skin, poor memory, or poor muscle coordination? If yes to any of these, then you might have a B12 deficiency.

IMO, a person should look at their problem areas, find out the cause, and supplement from there. If you do it the other way around, by looking at what a vitamin can do for you regardless of whether it's a real "need", then you'll end up taking every vitamin on the market.
lol big lol
i have to dissagree with u man :)
i dont know how to put it ..........................
this is a fact which means a group of people had and gave a proof for this!
no matter how much meat u eat....if u kick ur ass in the gym every single day ur body need more vitamins and minerals then the regylar guys!
yeah i know that not everybody train so hard thats why i recomend animal pack couse dosege is in averege!
and that people who have no idia what vitamins should take and in what dosege do no increse vitamin dosege!
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lol big lol
i have to dissagree with u man :)
i dont know how to put it ..........................
this is a fact which means a group of people had and gave a proof for this!
no matter how much meat u eat....if u kick ur ass in the gym every single day ur body need more vitamins and minerals then the regylar guys!
yeah i know that not everybody train so hard thats why i recomend animal pack couse dosege is in averege!
and that people who have no idia what vitamins should take and in what dosege do no increse vitamin dosege!


That's cool; you can dissagree. I still stand by what I said. The RDA of B12 is 2.4 mcg for a "normal' person. No one on here is normal. If you ate 1 egg...one egg, you'd have taking in 87% of your required B12 if you were a normal person. I see people on here eating 4-6 eggs a day, along with tons of other meats, plus all the B vitamins in their shakes and PWO drinks. It is not unplausable to think that 99% of the people on this forum already take in 100x the RDA of B12. IMHO, 100x the RDA is probably enough, no matter how much Hulkamania a person has running through them.
 
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Energy is the only reason I have ever heard to tkae B12. A B complex would be the way to go if you think your low. When you get older I know alot of eldery people go and actully get B12 injections. I think if you are under 45 you would only need extar b's if you had some sort of condition like celiacs disese or were under a lot of stress and/or sick and your immune system was getting low, then I would take a B supplement. They are one of the most popluar for energy.
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^ Yeah as far as i knew B-12 was known as the "Energy Vitamin".
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Hopfully this will work ( not on my comp)

One thing people dont realize is that when people are talking about say B9/ Folic acid, that there is anougher name for it and all the other B's which might look a little more farmilar esp when reading your ingredant list on your protein shake labels


vitamins. You hear about them all the time, but what do they actually do? It's not too far a stretch to say that the B vitamins keep your body running properly. Just about all of the body's functions rely on B vitamins to perform, from the brain to the heart to just about every other organ in the body.

B vitamins are especially important when we're stressed. If you're under chronic stress, look into taking extra B vitamins. John takes Nature's Way B-Stress every day, and we notice it when he doesn't.

Here's a quick look at the B vitamins, what they do, and how to get them. (Remember, don't take this article as any kind of diagnostic gospel; talk to your health provider before adding any kind of supplement to your diet--even something as innocuous as B vitamins.)

Thiamine, or B1, is the B vitamin that the body needs to keep all of its cells functioning correctly. The nervous system, in particular, depends on it. It's especially important for memory and general mental health and is one of the B vitamins needed to convert food into energy.

Thiamine deficiencies are primarily brought on by alcoholism or over-consumption of coffee or tea (we're talking about a LOT of coffee or tea, folks, don't panic). Thiamine is water-soluble; the body can't store it, so you need to get a constant source of it. The current RDA for thiamin is only 1.2 mg/day, but studies show that taking as much as 50 mg/day can increase your mental acuity.

Good sources of thiamine include:

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Pinto beans
Bananas
Soybeans
Whole-grain and enriched cereals and breads
Yeast
Rice bran
Legumes

Riboflavin, or B2, is the B vitamin that is essential for converting the food we eat to energy. You cannot break down and use proteins, fats and carbohydrates without this B vitamin, and our red blood cells need it to function as well. If you take a B supplement, riboflavin is what turns your urine that bright yellow color!

Because riboflavin has a low solubility, it's easy to become deficient in it, though someone who is deficient in riboflavin is almost always also deficient in a number of other vitamins as well.

Good sources of riboflavin include:

Milk
Cheese
Leafy green vegetables
Liver
Legumes like soybeans
Yeast
Almonds
Asparagus
Okra
Yogurt
Eggs
Fish

Niacin, or B3, is the B vitamin responsible for more than fifty bodily processes. It helps remove toxins from the body and is a major aid to the making of hormones, including steroid hormones, sex hormones and stress-related hormones. Niacin deficiency leads to pellagra, a nasty disease that used to run rampant in the American South where corn--the only grain low in niacin--was the staple food.

Niacin helps balance "good" and "bad" cholesterol levels, and is sometimes prescribed for hyperlipidemia--too much fatty acid in the blood. At pharmacological doses, niacin can cause flushing, itching, rashes, and even cardiac arrhythmias. But this is in very large doses indeed. The RDA for niacin is 1.3 mg/day, which a prescribed dose can be as high as 6 g/day--almost 600 times the RDA.

Good sources of niacin include:

Organ meats
Mushrooms
Chicken
Salmon and tuna
Leafy vegetables
Milk
Nuts
Sweet potatoes
Yeast
Avocados
Eggs

Pantothenic acid, or B5, is critical to life--not just human life, ALL life. It works with several other B vitamins for a number of essential processes including breaking down fats, proteins, and carbohydrates into energy and is also the B vitamin that is needed to form vitamin D, a variety of hormones, and red blood cells.

Small amounts of B5 are found in almost all foods, in fact its name comes from the Greek meaning "from everywhere." It's very nearly impossible not to get enough B5. Higher amounts of pantothenic acid are found in:

Organ meats
Salmon
Milk
Whole grains
Eggs

Pyridoxine, or B6, balances sodium and potassium in the body--a critical balance. It is the B vitamin largely responsible for changing amino acids into more than five thousand proteins needed by the body. And it is the B vitamin needed for the body to make serotonin, dopamine, adrenaline and noradrenaline--enzymes without which we can become depressed or anxious. B6 is also critical to making hemoglobin, the part of your red blood cells that carries oxygen to your tissues, and is crucial to the immune system. It's also part of a system that can make niacin if your body is deficient in it.

Good sources of B6 include:

Chicken
Fish
Pork
Liver
Kidney
Whole grains
Nuts
Legumes

Biotin, or B7, is one of the B vitamins necessary for converting food to energy and for cell growth. Biotin helps regulate blood sugar, and has been the subject of diabetes studies. Often recommended for strengthening nails and hair, biotin can be found in many cosmetics.

Biotin deficiencies are rare. Beneficial bacteria in your gut manufactures biotin, for starters! Good sources of biotin include:

Liver and kidney
Dairy products
Oysters
Lobster
Salmon
Yeast
Cauliflower
Chicken breast
Egg yolk

Folic acid, or B9, is the essential B vitamin for aiding in cell growth and division, especially during pregnancy. This B vitamin is also necessary to make natural chemicals which control the appetite, moods and quality of sleep. It is also the best B vitamin for helping lower the chances of suffering a heart attack or stroke by keeping the arteries open. It's often prescribed to heart patients, and as one, I take it every day by prescription.

If you're pregnant or trying to get pregnant, you should be making sure you get enough folic acid every day. It's critical to the prevention of birth defects.

Good sources of folic acid include:

Lentils and chickpeas (garbanzos)
Leafy greens like collards
Papaya
Peas
Broccoli
Oranges
Strawberries

Cobalamin, or B12, is one of the B vitamins used in turning food into energy. This B vitamin is also vital in forming the protective covering of nerve cells and to keep red blood cells healthy, and help prevent heart disease. It's also believed to help with insomnia.

Deficiency of B12 is extremely common. If you are vegetarian or vegan you are almost certainly B12-deficient if you don't supplement somehow, because B12 is almost exclusively found in animal products. A B12 deficiency can translate into depression, and if left unchecked can cause nerve damage.

If you supplement, look for methylcobalamine, aka methyl B12. It's more expensive than the more commonly found cyanocobalamine, but it is easier to absorb. Methylcobalamine is one of the two B's I take every day (the other being folic acid), both for my heart.

Good sources of B12 include:

Meat, especially liver
Shellfish
Egg yolks (the whites actually inhibit absorption)
Milk, cheese and yogurt
Pretty big nutshell, huh? Make sure you're getting the proper amount of B vitamins every day, especially if you're under stress, pregnant or trying to get pregnant.

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thanks islander u just show to all nonbelievers why b vitamins is so important now all we need is to find article about how to dose b vitamins!
i dont see a reason why will i lie to u all ?!?!?!?!?!
i have read it and study it........whatever............. i will take vit b12 like i know and all nonbelievers do what they want !
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ok now found this....there is a lot of info in the net but ofcorse a lot o bull****s.....
here it is firsi is
Recommended daily intake of vitamins and minerals
second is
Recommended Nutrients and Ranges of Intake for Bodybuilders


hope now famine trust me couse im here to exchange info and talk with big asssssss bbrs :)
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thanks islander u just show to all nonbelievers why b vitamins is so important now all we need is to find article about how to dose b vitamins!
i dont see a reason why will i lie to u all ?!?!?!?!?!
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No one's saying you're lying dude, he just stated his opinion/point of view and he stands by it, that's all
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No one's saying you're lying dude, he just stated his opinion/point of view and he stands by it, that's all
ok i m sorry :(
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Unrelated to my previous posts on how much to take, can someone clarify what I'm reading in the links provided.


In the first link, it says:

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Recommendation of Vitamin B12 (cobalamine) = 6 µg
The µg stands for mcg (or micrograms)

Then it mentions overdose:

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Doses larger than 3000 µg may cause eye conditions

3000µg = 3mg

Okay...

Now, in the body building link (the second link) it says you should take 125-175 mg.


My concern is that in one it says you overdose if you take more than 3mg, but in the second, it says to take up to 175mg. Is this right? That's a huge difference.
 
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lol
.............dudeeee dont forget u r hitting the gym
people who train their asses i m talking for people who take the bb serious and people who train for more then 4-5 years.....these people train hard and need moreee food more from anything why couse their methabolism is going crazy during and after workouts and this amouths of vitamins cover the loses.......
ok look i m going to make u believe ok :) i know people who drink vitamins in the normal range for bodybulders. me i drink too and i will tell u bro they r still kickin it :)
wish u find the trueth :)

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Okay, here's the facts. The information on the second link provided is totally wrong because they used the wrong values. It states that a weight lifter needs 175mg of B12.

175mg of B12 = 175,000 mcg (the typical unit of measurement for B12).

That means that in order to take the amount of B12 recommended by that web site, you'd have to take 175 tablets of B12 a day. Obviously that is not correct.

I just needed to wrap my head around these values to see where the problem was. I was trying to be constructive, instead of laughing at someone and saying the same thing over and over again.

I'm going to peace out on this topic now.
 
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