[simonX]

I take ON Casein before bed almost every night, and i notice a lot of guys here do too. But i've wondered about this for some time ... since its a pretty popular form of protein powder, why is it that ON is the only major supplement manufacturer that makes it? I know Syntha-6 and Muscle Milk also contains casein (as do other Pro Complex and others) but those two are more of protein blends.

If its popular, useful and profitable, why don't the other supp companies sell it too?

[F-111]

Because the big dollars are in the plain old cheaper and plainer forms of protein powder. The majority of ppl in bodybuilding i would say are undereducated on nutrition and so they wouldnt buy casein unless they learned about it. so id say that the best business decision is to focus on plain ol wpc and wpi

[simonX]

that's true. But i think if another company like launches a decent casein line that is priced cheaper than ON's, it would probably sell well... imho.

[Fish0828]

dymatize makes a protein mix called elite 12 hour which is mainly casein protein but it also has a little whey, egg, and soy protein thrown in it as well. anyway, obviously, as the name states, it is designed to be a slow digesting protein mix that lasts up to 12 hours which is what plain casein protein is designed to do also. word to the wise for anyone getting it though is to steer clear of the rich chocolate flavor. it is cot damn disgusting.

[Big MuMbO jUmBo]

also MHP makes a time releasing protein called probolic i beleive

[stalion]

Originally Posted by Fish0828

dymatize makes a protein mix called elite 12 hour which is mainly casein protein but it also has a little whey, egg, and soy protein thrown in it as well. anyway, obviously, as the name states, it is designed to be a slow digesting protein mix that lasts up to 12 hours which is what plain casein protein is designed to do also. word to the wise for anyone getting it though is to steer clear of the rich chocolate flavor. it is cot damn disgusting.

so is the rich vanilla taste like throw up I'm stuck drinking throw up for a couple weeks ///back to on that's what happens for not wasting a few more $$$$

[Big MuMbO jUmBo]

ya i dont take casein at all because the taste makes me feel like i would rather **** out my mouth than drink it

[stalion]

Originally Posted by Big MuMbO jUmBo

also MHP makes a time releasing protein called probolic i beleive

i liked probolic// a little $$$// but good i had the chocolate they have banana i would try that

[briancogs888]

muscletech used to have nitrotech nighttime, I dont think they still do.

[n88tr]

Originally Posted by stalion

so is the rich vanilla taste like throw up I'm stuck drinking throw up for a couple weeks ///back to on that's what happens for not wasting a few more $$$$

Me too. Slightly better than their "chocolate" flavor. That stuff is horrible, underlined bolded, bad stuff. It's the second worst-tasting supp I've ever eaten.

Fat-free cottage cheese stole my heart, that's what I'm running with these days.

[Fish0828]

Originally Posted by stalion

so is the rich vanilla taste like throw up I'm stuck drinking throw up for a couple weeks ///back to on that's what happens for not wasting a few more $$$$

man you're telling me. i literally have to pinch my nose to force that stuff down. even if i mix chocolate syrup in with it it's still almost unbearable. i wonder what their blueberry muffin tastes like hahahaha. i'm definitely gonna spring for the ON next time.

Originally Posted by n88tr

Me too. Slightly better than their "chocolate" flavor. That stuff is horrible, underlined bolded, bad stuff. It's the second worst-tasting supp I've ever eaten.

Fat-free cottage cheese stole my heart, that's what I'm running with these days.

i second that. if that's really the second worst supplement you've ever had, you should really let everyone know what the first is so no one buys it. as for the cottage cheese, i am not a big. fan i try to go the yogurt route and then choke down a little dymatize 12 hour along with it.


do all casein protein powders taste much worse than whey powder cause i have dymatize's elite whey protein and it tastes alright.

[Medic08]

I take Micell edge caisen protein. Taste just like chocolate milk. Good stuff.

[stalion]

Originally Posted by Medic08

I take Micell edge caisen protein. Taste just like chocolate milk. Good stuff.

looks good but the profile on it is no good for me to much fat and carbs
and a little pricey if you ask me
taste good cause of all the fat in it


2.78 Lbs. Double Chocolate Fudge
Supplement Facts
Serving Size2Heaping Scoops(70.14g) (2.47 Oz.)
Servings Per Container18

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Calories 270
Calories From Fat 90
Total Fat 10g 15%*
Saturated Fat 4g 20%*
Cholesterol 36mg 12%*
Total Carbohydrate 12g 4%*
Dietary Fiber 5g 20%*
Sugars 5g **
Protein 32g 64%*

[Medic08]

Originally Posted by stalion

looks good but the profile on it is no good for me to much fat and carbs
and a little pricey if you ask me
taste good cause of all the fat in it


2.78 Lbs. Double Chocolate Fudge
Supplement Facts
Serving Size2Heaping Scoops(70.14g) (2.47 Oz.)
Servings Per Container18

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Calories 270
Calories From Fat 90
Total Fat 10g 15%*
Saturated Fat 4g 20%*
Cholesterol 36mg 12%*
Total Carbohydrate 12g 4%*
Dietary Fiber 5g 20%*
Sugars 5g **
Protein 32g 64%*

Thats what cardio is for 10g is'nt too much. This is what my nutrionist reccomends to all of his clients. Plus I dont use 2 scoops. i use two scoops of my whey and 1 scoop of casein so its only 5 G of fat when I do it like that. But yea it is expensive, and it goes fast. I usually go through a tub a week. How much did your source say? I pay $28 for for the container you are speaking of.

[MikeNYY420]

Because they already make cottage cheese.

[simonX]

uugh, i have problems swallowing cottage cheese... looks like white baby food. :)

[stalion]

Originally Posted by Medic08

Thats what cardio is for 10g is'nt too much. This is what my nutrionist reccomends to all of his clients. Plus I dont use 2 scoops. i use two scoops of my whey and 1 scoop of casein so its only 5 G of fat when I do it like that. But yea it is expensive, and it goes fast. I usually go through a tub a week. How much did your source say? I pay $28 for for the container you are speaking of.

$29 yea the way you drink it would be good might give it a go
never even herd of them before till your post thanks

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

Because they already make cottage cheese.

thanks to mikeNYY i am now a member of the cottage cheese of the night club,, i used to be a hater of the stuff but now i dont miss a serving at night,, never thought i would say it but the stuff is the bomb!!

[simonX]

mike - do you eat it straight from the container? or with bread?

[Fish0828]

Originally Posted by stalion

looks good but the profile on it is no good for me to much fat and carbs
and a little pricey if you ask me
taste good cause of all the fat in it


2.78 Lbs. Double Chocolate Fudge
Supplement Facts
Serving Size2Heaping Scoops(70.14g) (2.47 Oz.)
Servings Per Container18

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Calories 270
Calories From Fat 90
Total Fat 10g 15%*
Saturated Fat 4g 20%*
Cholesterol 36mg 12%*
Total Carbohydrate 12g 4%*
Dietary Fiber 5g 20%*
Sugars 5g **
Protein 32g 64%*

also, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't it have a pretty low protein to total weight ratio? 70.14 grams total weight per serving with only 32 grams of it being protein? that's less than 50%. i usually don't but a protein powder (or even see a protein powder) that is too much less than 75% protein unless it is some type of weight gainer mix.

[Medic08]

Originally Posted by Fish0828

also, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't it have a pretty low protein to total weight ratio? 70.14 grams total weight per serving with only 32 grams of it being protein? that's less than 50%. i usually don't but a protein powder (or even see a protein powder) that is too much less than 75% protein unless it is some type of weight gainer mix.

Casien is different from whey protein. A little bit of whey can give you a lot of protein, but its the other way around for Casien.

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by simonX

mike - do you eat it straight from the container? or with bread?

straight out of the container,, well into a bowl anyway,, lol,,, its my last meal of the night before bed..

[A-Ron21]

I am going to order this powder for next week: Bodybuilding.com - Universal Milk & Egg Protein - No Fat No Cholesterol! On sale now!

Looks pretty good!


The only problem with cottage cheese is that it has a LOT of sodium in it.

I calculated it and its cheaper for me per gram of protein to just buy a tub of ON casein at my local health food store, than to buy the equivalent in cottage cheese.

[Fish0828]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

I am going to order this powder for next week: Bodybuilding.com - Universal Milk & Egg Protein - No Fat No Cholesterol! On sale now!

that looks like a pretty decent product. and the price is great too. i might have to pick that out after i gag down the rest of my dymatize 12-hour mix.

[under construction]

Originally Posted by simonX

uugh, i have problems swallowing cottage cheese... looks like white baby food. :)

not to mention you need like 2.5 cups vs 2 scoops. Personally I dont want 2.5 cups of cheese churning around in my stomach b4 bed

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by under construction

not to mention you need like 2.5 cups vs 2 scoops. Personally I dont want 2.5 cups of cheese churning around in my stomach b4 bed

Yeah definitely, thats my big reason, and the sodium too.

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by mikeh40+

thanks to mikeNYY i am now a member of the cottage cheese of the night club,, i used to be a hater of the stuff but now i dont miss a serving at night,, never thought i would say it but the stuff is the bomb!!

Oh yeah and save money over the casein powder. I like mine with natural apple sauce.

[MikeNYY420]

Although UC brings up a good point. I wonder if you need that much protein during the night though.

[under construction]

Id imagine this would be when the body has the best chance to repair itself. So I think a slow trickle of protein would keep a good chance of not going catabolic during this 6-10 hour period with no nutrition. I have also read that a protein rich environment during sleep helps ones body to release GH naturally.

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by under construction

Id imagine this would be when the body has the best chance to repair itself. So I think a slow trickle of protein would keep a good chance of not going catabolic during this 6-10 hour period with no nutrition. I have also read that a protein rich environment during sleep helps ones body to release GH naturally.

yea for sure bro,, the reason i like the cottage cheese is it kills the hunger better than the casein powder,,, i generally use 1 1/2 cup of cottage cheese which is close to 40gs of protein,,