Epistane or Tren-X

GrkGod12 · 01-13-2009, 01:32 PM

I'm going to start hitting it strong.. I've been nursing my shoulder.. I hyper-extended it pretty bad during the summer.. so i haven't been doing much.. but I feel pretty good now..

I need your opinions...

Epistane - 30/30/30/30

or

Tren-X - 50/75/75/75

I know theyre somewhat different but im just looking to get lean and I dont want anything too harsh on the liver and testies.

I will be taking the following:

Clenbuterol - 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
E/C stack on the off weeks
Lean FX - 8 weeks
Inhibit-E - 4 weeks after either the Epi or Tren
Milk Thistle
Multi-V
Fish Oil
Flax Seed Oil
L-Carnitine
L-Arginine
Zinc
Vitamin B12
Vitamin E
Glucosamin,Chrondrition,MSM
Xtend
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey

**mikeh40+** · 01-13-2009, 01:38 PM

by taking the Inhibit-E do you mean 4 weeks after your cycle is over or is that the cycle time on the PH? take your pct the next day after your last dose of your ph ,

GrkGod12 · 01-13-2009, 01:42 PM

No I meant that Im going to start it right after the PH cycle.

So which one do u recommend.. for better results..

Epistane 30/30/30/30

or

Tren-X 50/75/75/75

**mikeh40+** · 01-13-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GrkGod12

No I meant that Im going to start it right after the PH cycle.

So which one do u recommend.. for better results..

Epistane 30/30/30/30

or

Tren-X 50/75/75/75

if this is your first cycle with a ph i would go with the Epistane,but i would up the dosage to 30/40/40/ 40 i did go up to 50 on my fifth week , but had no change on the higher dosage, so 40 seems to be the sweet spot with that supp.. , and some others have said the same, i did enjoy the added strength i got, but not much in terms of body weight changes, i gained about 5 pounds muscle,, but it was worth the price ,, i may do another epistane again since its more of a DRY ph, lean gains, no bloat or water retention,, not as harsh on the liver, but have not used the tren-x, there might be a thread in the steroid section on that one

Gym Warrior · 01-13-2009, 10:18 PM

good post Mike

and if you can, i would take a SERM for pct instead, such as Clomid.

stalion · 01-13-2009, 11:24 PM

I'm on epi now seem 40m is the way to go(sick pumps) at 30m didn't really feel anything .
also had a 3 lb drop in the first week
and i seem to be hungry-er on off days

**mikeh40+** · 01-14-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gym Warrior

good post Mike

and if you can, i would take a SERM for pct instead, such as Clomid.

yell yes you could use clomid, if you can find a good source to buy it,but with epistane you really dont need the clomid, its not that much of a shut down on the natural test production, however another good legal product is called 6oxo for a pct, works very well,

**mitbar** · 01-14-2009, 12:36 AM

epistane for sure, the tren x byitself could give you prolactin gyno and it doesnt look like you have adex on hand for that. also your pct sucks, you need a serm to keep gains and get your test levels back up. this is a steriod not a supplement.

Gym Warrior · 01-14-2009, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeh40+

yell yes you could use clomid, if you can find a good source to buy it,but with epistane you really dont need the clomid, its not that much of a shut down on the natural test production, however another good legal product is called 6oxo for a pct, works very well,

yes i agree with you. but pretty much for all ph's a SERM is recomended. im positive you know that but yea epistane doesnt shut down too much. i would take a serm just as a precaution tho!

**mikeh40+** · 01-14-2009, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gym Warrior

yes i agree with you. but pretty much for all ph's a SERM is recomended. im positive you know that but yea epistane doesnt shut down too much. i would take a serm just as a precaution tho!

i am agreeing with you, go with the clomid if you can get it, what i`m saying is if you cannot, then go with 6oxo for your pct.. for epistane it works fine, for a harsher ph i would only go with the clomid

Gym Warrior · 01-14-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeh40+

i am agreeing with you, go with the clomid if you can get it, what i`m saying is if you cannot, then go with 6oxo for your pct.. for epistane it works fine, for a harsher ph i would only go with the clomid

ooohhhhhh i misunderstood....sorry bout that big guy

**mikeh40+** · 01-14-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gym Warrior

ooohhhhhh i misunderstood....sorry bout that big guy

no problem, just wanted to make clear what we were trying to say, its good you made sure of the answers ,

**mindstar** · 01-14-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mitbar

epistane for sure, the tren x byitself could give you prolactin gyno and it doesnt look like you have adex on hand for that. also your pct sucks, you need a serm to keep gains and get your test levels back up. this is a steriod not a supplement.

prolactin gyno is unaffected by adex; you'd need cabaser.

And +1 on the serm for pct. If you're going to do steroids, even legal ones, then treat them with the respect they deserve.

**mitbar** · 01-14-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mindstar

prolactin gyno is unaffected by adex; you'd need cabaser.

And +1 on the serm for pct. If you're going to do steroids, even legal ones, then treat them with the respect they deserve.

oooppps sorry about the adex caber mix up. thanks for the correction mindstar.

PoppaDLo · 01-14-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mindstar

And +1 on the serm for pct. If you're going to do steroids, even legal ones, then treat them with the respect they deserve.

I agree 100%. Even the low end easy going PH end of the road still should be treated with PCT in my opinion and I am sure it's the opinion of many. E-blockers and test boosters still affect your body and need that recovery agent to get back on track. Again I am only speaking from a single cycle of Epi and lot's and lot's of education and reading from the dungeon.

**ibanezman88** · 01-14-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mitbar

epistane for sure, the tren x byitself could give you prolactin gyno and it doesnt look like you have adex on hand for that. also your pct sucks, you need a serm to keep gains and get your test levels back up. this is a steriod not a supplement.

although you were wrong with suggesting adex, i'm glad you brought prolactin up cuz it's possible.

on another note, to the original poster, you're relying too much on supplements to lean you out bro. why don't you just let your diet and training/cardio take care of it and just do ECA?