Suggestions on a good STACK

D-Line · 10-23-2008, 03:33 PM

The offseason is coming up for me so i need some help with a good stack to get bigger, stronger. Heres what i got now Casein in the morning and before bed. Vitamins once a day. Whey after work outs. But i need more than that i was thinking of adding the bsn stack to that NO explode, Cell-mass, and Nitrix. I also wanted to know if taking Cellmass would i still have to get another creatine supplement? And should i take aminos to?

DEnd44 · 10-23-2008, 03:46 PM

ill just fill in what ALL of the more experienced guys would say..theyve told me at least a thousand times lol..

whey: you have already
creatine mono: youll save a ton of money over the BSN stuff and people say its just as effective
BCAA's (or just L-leucine, preference): youll get some from the whey, but mixing some more of these in throughout the day would help.
good multivitamin: you have already
fish oil: must have for a million different reasons
NO product: that would be the no-explode or the nitrix, and everyone says they arent 'must haves' - that these are a matter of preference and depend upon how well they work for you and whether or not you have extra $ for them..there are a few threads in here from people who have used nitrix, and what ive gotten from them is that its a ton of BS...people seem to like Superpump 250 from Gaspari better than NO-explode also...(ive taken nitrix and think its crap also and i love superpump250 too, but read up for yourself)

hope that helps a bit, good luck bro.

**allstar** · 10-23-2008, 05:53 PM

Cosign^^^ good job bro

D-Line · 10-23-2008, 07:20 PM

Thanks man that helps alot. Know ive taken creatine in the past i bought some BODY FORTRESS 100% pure creatine mono powder that you just mix with any thing like powerade or apple juice. Is there a better creatine out know that i should be using? also what exactly does fish oil help with?

DThomp21 · 10-23-2008, 08:55 PM

Also it wouldnt be a bad idea to have whey in the morning instead of casein. You want something fast digesting right when you wake up. As far as the fish oil goes there was just a thread about it in the supp or nutrition forum that went over all the benefits. Check it out

**ibanezman88** · 10-23-2008, 09:22 PM

here's mine right now.

weightgainer - BSN True Mass
Protein Powder - BSN Syntha 6
Joint Support - Universal Animal Flex
Creatine Monohydrate Powder

no longer using the NO products or expensive creatine formulas. i find i train better without NO.

D-Line · 10-23-2008, 11:22 PM

K thanks guys sounds good i read up on fish oils so ill be defiantly be getting some of that. Now as for a creatine product whats best?

DEnd44 · 10-24-2008, 01:45 AM

straight creatine mono powder is what everyone has suggested to me..can order it online or gnc/vitamin shoppe usually run their regular creatine mono as like a buy one, get one half off deal or whatever..

**allstar** · 10-24-2008, 01:50 AM

check out Orbit Nutrition our board sponsor, they have great deals. Look into Dymatize Creatine good quality and cheap!

DEnd44 · 10-24-2008, 01:53 AM

^^thats what i meant to say, oops...sry allstar lol

**allstar** · 10-24-2008, 01:59 AM

Nah its all good, I was just giving another option to him.

D-Line · 10-24-2008, 02:37 PM

alright cool thanks guys

D-Line · 10-26-2008, 05:09 PM

Alright i went to the store and got all the stuff i need. I dont have a credit card yet so i couldnt order offline. But i went and got some fish oils, GNC creatine mono powder and some twinlab amino fuel. i also have a bottle of NITRIX 360 tablets so im going to try that to. i have whey and Muscle milk protein witch says it has whey and casein in it so ill be taking that before bed and mornings. Is there anything im missing?

Now with the tiwnlab aminos the directions say to take 4 tablets with every meal and i have 6 meals a day and i know i dont need to be taking that many so what do you guys recommend?

Also the creatine directions say just take once after a workout. But isnt there a loading phase? Could some one help me out on how to take this stuff correctly?

DEnd44 · 10-26-2008, 08:38 PM

what i was told..

creatine: for the first 4-5 days, take 20g per day..take 5g morning, 5g pre-workout and 10g postworkout (either that or 10g morning and 10g post workout - whatever fits your schedule better, but the earlier suggestion may help with absorption of the extra grams)..after that, take 10g per day (5g in morning or preworkout and 5g postworkout)..

aminos: there have been studies done on taking amino acids in high dosages, so it cant hurt to take a little extra..but, a good time to take those would be in the am, post workout and at night to prevent muscle breakdown during sleep..i have powder and i take 5g at all those times..i tried to look up the amino fuel youre taking to help you out with servings but there are variations (1000, 2000, etc.) so i couldnt get anything exact...i would probably take whatever a serving size is at the times i suggested...

hope that helps.

D-Line · 10-26-2008, 08:46 PM

Thanks man that helps alot but with the aminos do i take it am, post work and night. or just one of those times?

DEnd44 · 10-26-2008, 08:54 PM

ive been told to take it all three of those times...i would take whatever one serving size is ( i think you said 4 tabs) at ALL of those times..

in the morning you can take them with your whey shake as others had suggested (with your creatine even)..you can take them with your postworkout whey shake (with your creatine also)..and then at night along with muscle milk which you said was your source of casein..that should cover it..

D-Line · 10-26-2008, 09:39 PM

cool thanks man would that muscle milk work as a good morning shake to?

D-Line · 10-26-2008, 09:51 PM

also when i take the creatine is it better to take it with gaterade because of the more sugar or just with the protein shakes?

DEnd44 · 10-27-2008, 02:37 AM

from what ive heard, you can (optimally) do one of two things:

1. take it with a juice/gatorade (the sugar in those juices will cause an 'insulin spike') which will lead to greater absorption of the creatine and/or aminos you take.

2. take it in the whey but mix in 70-80g of dextrose if you can get your hands on some dextrose sugar in powder form (really cheap but may be pain in the ass to find, look around)...if you cant do this, you may want to eat something like a couple pieces of white bread to cause that insulin spike also..other foods with a similar glycemic index will work also (check a GI chart - i dont have too much info on this)..

DEnd44 · 10-27-2008, 02:39 AM

and yes, muscle milk would be fine in the morning bc it would give your body some whey which would absorb quickly after sleep to get something into your system and also some casein which cant hurt to have helping you along through the first half of your day or so..

D-Line · 10-28-2008, 11:26 AM

Alright sounds like im off to a good start as far as creatine though what would be the best times to take it on off days?

DEnd44 · 10-28-2008, 12:33 PM

on off days, you can still split it and take it at two times (morning and middle of day) or just take all 10g in the morning as absorption would probably be best then.

MotoMarine · 10-28-2008, 01:52 PM

I am stacking

Animal Pak
Animal Stak
Humagro
Whey Liquid Protein 42g
Syntha-6
Cell Mass

salmonlikethefish · 10-29-2008, 01:32 AM

come on you guys..

what about kre-alkalyn creatine

crea mono = 30% absorbtion BLOAT, TOXIC ON THE LIVER.
krealkalyn = 100% absorbtion NO BLOAT. NO TOXICITY.

which would you prefer??

**allstar** · 10-29-2008, 02:14 AM

kre alk. 25-40% faster degrade into creatinine in the gut than CrM

DEnd44 · 10-29-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salmonlikethefish

come on you guys..

what about kre-alkalyn creatine

crea mono = 30% absorbtion BLOAT, TOXIC ON THE LIVER.
krealkalyn = 100% absorbtion NO BLOAT. NO TOXICITY.

which would you prefer??

i know allstar already set this straight, but whered you get that info? jeez lol

salmonlikethefish · 10-29-2008, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allstar

kre alk. 25-40% faster degrade into creatinine in the gut than CrM

Kre-Alkalyn does NOT convert in to creatinine.

AllStar- Where are you gettin this info from?

From all of the articles/studies I've read and from talking with Jeff Golini (scientist who invented Kre-Alkalyn) your wrong bro.

Kre-Alkalyn.net has all of the studies showing it being a pH Balanced creatine.

DEnd44 · 10-29-2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salmonlikethefish

Kre-Alkalyn does NOT convert in to creatinine.

AllStar- Where are you gettin this info from?

From all of the articles/studies I've read and from talking with Jeff Golini (scientist who invented Kre-Alkalyn) your wrong bro.

Kre-Alkalyn.net has all of the studies showing it being a pH Balanced creatine.

thats like saying MUSCLETECH is the **** and i have info from muscletech.com that supports that..lol

**allstar** · 10-30-2008, 12:40 AM

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5Six · 10-30-2008, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEnd44

ill just fill in what ALL of the more experienced guys would say..theyve told me at least a thousand times lol..

whey: you have already
creatine mono: youll save a ton of money over the BSN stuff and people say its just as effective
BCAA's (or just L-leucine, preference): youll get some from the whey, but mixing some more of these in throughout the day would help.
good multivitamin: you have already
fish oil: must have for a million different reasons
NO product: that would be the no-explode or the nitrix, and everyone says they arent 'must haves' - that these are a matter of preference and depend upon how well they work for you and whether or not you have extra $ for them..there are a few threads in here from people who have used nitrix, and what ive gotten from them is that its a ton of BS...people seem to like Superpump 250 from Gaspari better than NO-explode also...(ive taken nitrix and think its crap also and i love superpump250 too, but read up for yourself)

hope that helps a bit, good luck bro.

x whatever on this!