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Old 09-25-2008, 10:53 PM   #1
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Hey guys!Been a while since I've posted but I recently came upon a question I'd like to ask.* I know the difference between whey isolate vs whey concentrate and I've been using ON 100% Whey Protein for a few years now but just recently I went to a local "Sport Nutrition Depot" store here and they stopped carrying ON 100% Whey Protein because the guy said that it was beginning to get overpriced (which I have found is a fact because even the other supplement stores around here the price for ON protein has gone up) and also that because ON whey protein is made up of 100% isolates that it wasn't as affective as a blend; so he recommended "Ultimate Nutrition's Whey Sensation 81", I figured I'd give it a shot so I bought it. Is it true that ON isn't as affective as Ultimate Nutrition's Whey Sensation because it is only comprised of isolates? Thanks
 
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:49 PM   #2
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the more hydrolyzed the whey isolate is the more bio-availaibly it has in your system and the easier your stomach can break it down.
do some research on proteins and find out which one you can afford and which is good. isolate is best for after your workout but adding some concentrate is good (thats why On is good) and a mixture of other proteins.
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Old 09-26-2008, 07:07 AM   #3
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it's not true for several reasons. First, ON is a blend, which is what he recommended anyway. Second, there may or may not be miniscule differences in absorption rate, but unless you have issues w/ lactose, whey is whey. I'd have gone w/ your choice if it was cheaper too.
 
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:22 PM   #4
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just wanted to share something i found,

Whey protein is a very high-quality protein and is highly regarded by bodybuilders and strength-trained athletes. The main reason for this is because it gives them the results they are looking for. However, not all whey protein is the same. There are several areas in which whey proteins differ, but one major area is in how they are manufactured. Sweet whey is a low concentrated form of whey protein that is separated from the curd of various cheeses during the cheese making process. Sweet whey is then pasteurized and separated from the remaining fat. At this point in the manufacturing process, whey is in liquid form and ready to undergo further manufacturing based on the desired end product; 25-80% whey protein concentrates (WPC), reduced lactose whey, and most importantly whey protein isolate (WPI).

WPI itself is manufactured primarily by one of two different ways. One technique is called ion exchange (IE) and the other is cross-flow microfiltration (CFM). These two types of techniques used to manufacture WPI contribute to end products having very different nutritional values. Many consumers are under the misconception that all protein is the same. Some consumers have a bit more understanding of protein and realize there are fundamental differences between the different sources of protein, but few consumers realize that there are very significant differences amongst the oft lumped-together WPIs. ?WPI is WPI, right?? Wrong, and the differences could make a big difference in how effective the finished protein product actually is in assisting you in making your body composition or strength gains. All major proteins possess very different compositions with regards to amino acid profiles and the protein fractions that they contain. The same can be said for the WPIs prepared via IE and CFM as notable differences are found in their respective compositions. Some protein fractions are not recovered in WPI produced by the IE process resulting in the loss of up to one-fifth of the major protein fractions. The loss of these fractions has significant nutritional implications that should be taken into consideration when choosing protein sources.

The bottom line is that CFM WPI is the best type of protein available today. It has a more complete protein profile than its otherwise seemingly closely related IE WPI counterpart. This protein profile contributes to improved digestion and increased immune function.
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mad mike is rite check the how the protein was manufactured, some of the tiniest polypeptide chains are the most important ones and you pay extra for all these to be intact... it isn't just about % protein or cost... and ON is a complex protein not an isolate... it contains both isolates and concentrates that have different absorption rates and amino acid profiles.... now is a lack of a few poly petides in your protein going to hault your gains... probably not... if you are taking other proteins in as whiole foods such as eggs, chicken, tuna, bison, beef and milk products you will most likely get these in another meal or be able to for them form the amino acids injested in your diet.... it is a personal choice between high end quality and affordability.... if you cant afford to buy it what good is it to you... take the cheaper one... ultimate nutrition is a very good company with very solid products...
 
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protein are like condoms just use the one that fits u best.
maximum shakes for me are 2 one being post workout and other before bed. protein supplement is exactly what it is a protein supplement. if your diet is solid then any protein will do, its just preference which agrees with your body
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:37 PM   #7
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anthk does have a point about the hydrolyzed wpi. its has the highest bio-availabilty and fast asorbing di and tri- peptide aminos. great for post workout. reason as i found is that the short chain peptides are capable of bypassing the digestion almost 100% and be transported to the muscles. the down side is that there are not too many proteins out there w/ hydrolyzed wpi. the ones that are, are pricey. the next best thing is cfm wpi. this is use more, so easier to find.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:55 AM   #8
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^^that's why i buy a tub and use it only post workout and leave the other protein mixtures for other times.
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:41 PM   #9
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Isolates,for other than cutting ,are Total waste(crap)
Reasons

1. Their concentration is only 10% more than concentnrates(from 80% to 88% and that is NB Isopure)
and the price per gr of protein is expensive

2.They lose a lot ofimportant fractions that are important for our immune system

3.Anyway you are gonna add carbs to it so it is a waste of money(you can add them to a concentrate)
 
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:39 PM   #10
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Thanks for all the replies guys!
Buck22; so are you saying that ON Whey wouldn't be a good option for bulking? Because on the container it says that it's made up of mainly isolates.
 
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