[MikeNYY420]

I've been thinking of getting Lipo 6x or Hydroxycut. I'm wondering though is there any possiblility of them burning any muscle or me losing any strength?
Because if there is I won't take it. T

hat being said I do HIIT cut my calories by 500, but still eat 3000 calories a day and have seen results from that.

And what would you guys recommend, I was reading about leucine and it's calorie burning, anti catabolic effects so I'll research that some. If it only burns calories then I'm not sure if that will slow down my strength gains.

Thanks everyone.

[lucifuge]

best one I've ever used was vpx's meltdown.
you look pretty lean though, why ya need a fat burner?

leucine's pretty damned good overall (never looked at it as a fat burner) but it tastes like three kinds of ass.
I'm not joking, if you can get it in pill form definitely go that route... the powder is miserable

[MikeNYY420]

Yeah I'd be getting it in pill form, I am lean right now like 8-10% bf, but I'm in high school man and all the girls care about is abs haha. So I need to burn like 2-3% bf. Something like that.

[anthk]

get some bcaa's + gluatmaine and drink that during your workout when you finish your workout have your protein shake (get a thermogenic protein) and then go do some cardio.
as for a fat burner lipo-6 is good, mx-ls7 is very good and has good feedback and science behind it and hotrox extreme is good too.
take one of these and find yourself a liquid that contains green tea or guarana, citrus aurantium and white willow bark. take the liquid before your workout it will help boost fat loss. Next generation megaslim is a good liquid so check it out.

[MikeNYY420]

^ Alright thanks, I'l check out all that stuff, but I'm not sure if I want to take it yet because I'm not sure if they're burn muscle too. Can anyone help me out with this part?

[anthk]

your cardio burns muscle thats why keep your heart rate as i stated above. also thats why you have the bcaa's + glutamine and protein shake before your cardio to prevent muscle loss.

[lil_big_junior]

anthk got everything coveredn here nicely bro

My add to this, Lipo6X, Hot Rox, or if you're sensitive to sides, go for Leviathan

[A-Ron21]

AnthK what do you mean by a thermogenic protein?

[MikeNYY420]

What do you mean cardio burns muscle, I thought that cardio only used fuel from glycogen and fat? So what do thermogenics do then, do they burn glycogen and fat directly or burn all those and muscle or what?

[A-Ron21]

Cardio will burn muscle after a certain amount of time because it takes longer to break down fat for energy than muscle, and muscle is a richer nutrient source than just fat.

[rIPPDUP]

just throwing this out there, i compete at 5-6%bf if you are in the single digits of bf you are shredded

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Cardio will burn muscle after a certain amount of time because it takes longer to break down fat for energy than muscle, and muscle is a richer nutrient source than just fat.

Wouldn't cardio have to use up all the glycogen stores before it uses any muscle though?

[A-Ron21]

no because your body will use glycogen for anaerobic work, IE weight lifting, but running doesn't use that, it uses carbohydrates that are already in your body from food and after a certain period of time, it cant break those down fast enough for energy so it switches to fat and then muscle because those break down faster.

[KM]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

What do you mean cardio burns muscle, I thought that cardio only used fuel from glycogen and fat? So what do thermogenics do then, do they burn glycogen and fat directly or burn all those and muscle or what?

Thermogenics burn calories by amping your BMR (metabolic temp, etc.). If you're confused, look up thermogenesis....which is what thermogenics are developed to do.

If you're "cutting" your most likely in a slight depletion of carbs. Your body needs to compensate by breaking down other endogenous factors to develop glucose.

Read post below.

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Cardio will burn muscle after a certain amount of time because it takes longer to break down fat for energy than muscle, and muscle is a richer nutrient source than just fat.

Carbs are your main source of energy. When carbs are subminimal, the body must convert other sources to produce glucose, this is called gluconeogenesis (so either amino or fatty acids). And I'm not positive, but protein breakdown comes before lipolysis.

Originally Posted by rIPPDUP

just throwing this out there, i compete at 5-6%bf if you are in the single digits of bf you are shredded

For some. Too many variables too say you'll be shredded.

[KM]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

no because your body will use glycogen for anaerobic work, IE weight lifting, but running doesn't use that, it uses carbohydrates that are already in your body from food and after a certain period of time, it cant break those down fast enough for energy so it switches to fat and then muscle because those break down faster.

Really not sure where you find this info from?

HIIT (what we're talking about right?)...is anaerobic. Glycogen is blood glucose or carbs stored in the liver and muscles. Glycogen fuels all workouts.

[ericmillah]

Originally Posted by rIPPDUP

just throwing this out there, i compete at 5-6%bf if you are in the single digits of bf you are shredded

cosign.

you should probably grow dude. screw what those girls think. your gonna get all skinny and lose muscle and strength!

....if you get big, you can get abs to show at up to 12%bf.

...and you definately dont need fat burners!!

[MikeNYY420]

^I wish it was that easy man haha, gotta get some girls though .

I looked up themogenesis and didn't find much. So by speeding up my metabolic rate that's gonna burn mostly glycogen stores and glucose right? So it sounds like I can take the fat burner without losing strength or muscle right?

[KM]

It burns calories bro. In order for you to grow at all, and interchangeably gather strength, you need to be in a caloric surplus (meaning; take in more calories than you burn off).

Here's a link that might help: Thermogenesis

If you lower carb intake, glycogen capacity is going to be lower. Does that make sense? So for example: when you're cutting for a show, you're in most cases cycling carbs, so the glycogen uptake by the liver and muscles is limited. And after the contest, you eat a whole bunch of carbs whether it be complex or simple, you gain weight- this is glycogen (+ water of course). Your body's ability adapts to the carbs being put in the body and is stored in the liver (100-200g) and the muscles (300-400g).

Did that help? If you're looking tog to cut, you might as well go on a cut for a bit, 4 weeks even because we're young, and especially you who knows how to diet.

[MikeNYY420]

I understand the part about carbs, thanks for that.

So if I use a thermogenic then I'm not gonna have a caloric surplus, but rather a deficit? So if I do choose do take that then I'll not be gaining much if any strength? Also I'm doing HIIT and notcing a difference in bf, but does that mean that I can't gain strength as fast while doing HIIT or can I have both, burn fat and gain strength?

[KM]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

I understand the part about carbs, thanks for that.

So if I use a thermogenic then I'm not gonna have a caloric surplus, but rather a deficit? So if I do choose do take that then I'll not be gaining much if any strength? Also I'm doing HIIT and notcing a difference in bf, but does that mean that I can't gain strength as fast while doing HIIT or can I have both, burn fat and gain strength?

You basically got it down!

You can be in a caloric surplus while on a thermo, but your caloric intake would need to be much higher than normal. Because HIIT places your body in fat oxidizing state hours upon the session, you're more or less going to be at maintenance or below (not enough for hypertrophy).

If you're going to use a thermo without actually placing your body in a caloric deficit through diet, that's more along the lines of a shortcut rather than using a tool in aid. That's gay.

Either diet down for a bit or don't. It depends on your goals, and you seem to be all over the place with that. I understand strength is important to you, but it seems your physique is also.

What I would do with you:

Diet down for 4 weeks. You're an ecto right? If so, take in maintenance calories or below and perform HIIT 3x/wk- this will ultimately place you in a deficiency. Once you're comfortable, get going with that bulk and start killing the weights for that PL comp.

If needed make a thread about it if you want other's opinions besides mine. I tried my best to explain that understandingly for ya bro.

Good luck!

[MikeNYY420]

^ I'm a meso. I used to be kinda skinny before I started lifting, but I was aqlways athletic and had big muscles.

Really my goals aren't all over the place, they're have been and still are to gain strength. The reason way I first started kind of cutting is to get down to a lower weight class for my powerlifitng competition. And while I'm losing weight anyway I was thinking about getting abs too and burning a lot of fat. But yeah I'm only doing this for the competition.

Thanks a lot for the help, I do understand what your saying very well.

I think I'll hold off on the thermogenics and just eat a little less and do some HIIT. I'm at about 152 when I wake up now and I need to get to 148 so I'm almost there and I have 2 more weeks.

[Moro]

Sorry if i missed if this got covered but heres a link to a protein with thermos im using it at the moment on my cut seems to be working nicely Balance Ultra Ripped Lean Protein