[A-Ron21]

Hey guys, so a couple weeks ago i finished my hyperdrol + massFX stack, and I can honestly say that I feel like I have very very mild shutdown, or estrogen rebound, or something, because i definitely don't feel right.

I feel like i have a small amount of atrophy, because my boys were aching a little bit and my libido is down slightly (normally libido is like a raging bull especially around my girlfriend), and my normall slightly puffy nips are very slightly puffier. Although that could just be in my head, the first two symptoms are absolutely there.

Anyways, my question is, should I order some post cycle support and next-day it so i can start taking it asap? I have half a bottle of powerFULL as well that I could take.

Help would be mucho appreciated.

Also, **** hyperdrol and massFX. Non hormonal my ass. I might as well have done that Bold cycle i was looking at and followed it up with PCS.

[mitbar]

those arent supposed to shut you down at all. take the powerfull and get your boys working again.

[T.O]

Yeah I would focus on the boodting you test. I dont think it had any affect on your boys but if it did, Im your body is just adapting to being without it. Maybe look at stoked by anabolic innovations Activate by designer supplements

[Zack]

PowerFull is amazing dude.

use it. it'll help you recover VERY fast

[A-Ron21]

Good. I'll use it tonight. Should i use it just at night or before workouts too?

Should I order the post cycle support anyways? Would that hurt at all taking that?

Stoked looks a lot like PCS. I think I might just order some of that for the hell of it.

How about Diesel Test hardcore? That looks like a decent product.

Edit - I have 32 caps left, which if I take two caps at night is enough to last me a little over 4 weeks. Should I just order another bottle and take more for 4 weeks and then taper down?

[T.O]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Good. I'll use it tonight. Should i use it just at night or before workouts too?

Should I order the post cycle support anyways? Would that hurt at all taking that?

Stoked looks a lot like PCS. I think I might just order some of that for the hell of it.

How about Diesel Test hardcore? That looks like a decent product.

Edit - I have 32 caps left, which if I take two caps at night is enough to last me a little over 4 weeks. Should I just order another bottle and take more for 4 weeks and then taper down?

Yup Stoked is the same product.

[mitbar]

4 weeks will be plenty man, most of the time you only need two weeks.

[Iron_Mercenary]

Consider adding in some 6-OXO or Novedex XT.

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by Iron_Mercenary

Consider adding in some 6-OXO or Novedex XT.

i agree. i think it was teamorbit who told me 6oxo was stronger than PCS but not sure.

anyway, if i thought i had puffy nipples, i'd get some tamoxofen ASAP.

[musicmann89]

Originally Posted by ibanezman88

i agree. i think it was teamorbit who told me 6oxo was stronger than PCS but not sure.

anyway, if i thought i had puffy nipples, i'd get some tamoxofen ASAP.

puffy nipples would be from prolaction or higher bf, if hes lean and has it than its from prolaction and needs dostinex

[A-Ron21]

I've always had nips like that, I don't think its from prolactin because nothing happens when I squeeze.

Its probably mostly from higher bodyfat and genetics, because my nipples were puffy like that even when i was super super skinny in high school - 125lbs at 5'9"

Anyways, I'm taking the powerFULL and I'm going to order some stoked. I figure I'll take the stoked and taper it off.

Also, I have no idea where I would get tamoxifen or dostinex anyways. If I did, i'd have them already lol.

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by musicmann89

puffy nipples would be from prolaction or higher bf, if hes lean and has it than its from prolaction and needs dostinex

i hear you say this all the time.

why aren't people using nolvadex for puffy nipples at a low bodyfat anymore? why would you not use nolva in this case?

[mitbar]

if its prolactin nolva will agravate it and make it worse. at a higher bf its just fat and a diet would do the trick.

[A-Ron21]

Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I really appreciate it. After some thought I'm pretty sure that the puffy nips are from my pre-puberty/purberty because I have always had them, made worse by the fact that my chest isn't as developed as it should be and I have fat there.

However, I know FOR SURE that something happened to me hormonally. Why? I developed two large cyst-like pimples on my forhead. Acne cysts, after researching them, can occur after a significant hormonal change. (I forgot to cite my sources, just take my word for it, cause i rock) The same kind of pimples popped up after I took novadex XT and that messed my equilibrium up for a little while, AND i got them two years ago during a bout of mono combined with a period of depression where I was pretty much a wreck(long story). So although I have no real hard data, I know my body and I am 95% sure that these are indicators of hormonal imbalances, in me anyways.

SO, long story short, I took 1 cap of powerFULL last night around 5pm and another before bed at 1am. Slept awesome. Woke up feeling better. Looking positive, I'm a-gonna order me some stoked and taper it over 4 weeks with the powerfull just to be sure. I'll let ya know how it goes, I'm sure it'll all be good. I trained legs yesterday in the afternoon and did sprints at 10:30 at night - woooooo testosterone boost! ****in sweet.

Anyways, thanks guys!

[mitbar]

best of luck to ya A ron you should be back to normal in no time bro.

[A-Ron21]

Much appreciated bro.

[Iron_Mercenary]

Sounds like you're on the path to success A-Ron. Stay Beasty.

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by mitbar

if its prolactin nolva will agravate it and make it worse. at a higher bf its just fat and a diet would do the trick.

gotta read more about this

[T.O]

Originally Posted by ibanezman88

i hear you say this all the time.

why aren't people using nolvadex for puffy nipples at a low bodyfat anymore? why would you not use nolva in this case?

Nolva is more so for Preventing Gyno not Getting rid of it. Most of the time that is.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I really appreciate it. After some thought I'm pretty sure that the puffy nips are from my pre-puberty/purberty because I have always had them, made worse by the fact that my chest isn't as developed as it should be and I have fat there.

However, I know FOR SURE that something happened to me hormonally. Why? I developed two large cyst-like pimples on my forhead. Acne cysts, after researching them, can occur after a significant hormonal change. (I forgot to cite my sources, just take my word for it, cause i rock) The same kind of pimples popped up after I took novadex XT and that messed my equilibrium up for a little while, AND i got them two years ago during a bout of mono combined with a period of depression where I was pretty much a wreck(long story). So although I have no real hard data, I know my body and I am 95% sure that these are indicators of hormonal imbalances, in me anyways.

SO, long story short, I took 1 cap of powerFULL last night around 5pm and another before bed at 1am. Slept awesome. Woke up feeling better. Looking positive, I'm a-gonna order me some stoked and taper it over 4 weeks with the powerfull just to be sure. I'll let ya know how it goes, I'm sure it'll all be good. I trained legs yesterday in the afternoon and did sprints at 10:30 at night - woooooo testosterone boost! ****in sweet.

Anyways, thanks guys!

Maybe so but I think your putting to much faith in these compounds. I think it just may be an increase in natrual hormone production. Most likely you natrual test and GH levels went up a little. That can cause Acne.

[Iron_Mercenary]

^ According to Patrick Arnold the 6-Bromo contained within the AX products is a mild prohormone. Those aren't natty test boosters.

[T.O]

6 bromo is used in PCT. Mass FX is actually pretty popular to add in PCT. People say helps increase natrual test. Its the Hyperdrol if anything Im not 100 % on. But be carefull 6bromo is constantly compared to 6oxo so Im not sure if its actual study or best interest. If you have a link I would love to read it Iron.

[Iron_Mercenary]

Yea, apparently its the Hyperdrol that contains the 6-bromo. P.A. says that 6-bromo works similarly to 6-oxo, but isn't quite as effective & is questionable on safety simply based on the fact that not too much research has been conducted on it. Actually, I read this in the natty section a while back. Some guy asked Layne wether the Hyperdrol was considered as natural supp, and Layne was able to get in touch w/ Pat & ask him about the ingredient profile.
For a while I was considering using Hyperdrol, since its marketed as a natty test booster, but yea it is prohormonal in nature. Mass FX, I'm not too sure about. But I wouldn't take it if I were trying to maintain natural status.

[T.O]

Makes sense. Let me see if I can dig up any more info.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by Teamorbit

Maybe so but I think your putting to much faith in these compounds. I think it just may be an increase in natrual hormone production. Most likely you natrual test and GH levels went up a little. That can cause Acne.

Thats possible, but I had none of the effects of increase test production like increase in libido, energy, etc.

Cosign mercenary, I totally forgot to put that up there, but that is why I think what happened, happened. Maybe we can find some more info on this.

I pretty much don't respond well to chemical estrogen inhibitors. Novadex XT made me feel super ****ty too. That sucked.

Drive, on the other hand, works great for me, until about day 20 when it starts giving me indigestion.

[T.O]

wow thats crazy. I know MASS FX is loved. lol But everyones different I know thats for sure.

[ibanezman88]

Originally Posted by Teamorbit

Nolva is more so for Preventing Gyno not Getting rid of it. Most of the time that is.

ha! i see. that helps a lot. thanks