Nootropics and neuro enhancing amino's

**ZiR RED** · 07-16-2008, 08:04 PM

Just wondering if its worth starting a discussion in here about them. If anyone's tried them or interested in trying them.

If you don't know about the -racetam family, serotogenic, dopaminergenic, or gabergenic affecting amino acids, what a catecholamine is, or have no clue what I'm talking about, then don't respond.

Br

PS: Phenethylamine is the second best supplement to phenibut I have ever tried.

**Freak** · 07-16-2008, 08:55 PM

Zir most people are going to have no clue what you are talking about.

**allstar** · 07-16-2008, 09:49 PM

well i know there are 3 catecholamines epinephrine,dopamine and nor epinephrine,correct?

**A-Ron21** · 07-17-2008, 01:11 AM

I'll at least subscribe to the thread to learn some more, although I haven't researched enough on my own nor am i far enough along in my degree to know anything about them. But I would love to learn more!

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-17-2008, 08:41 AM

Red this is a learning website. If you're willing to talk about it. There are people that wish to learn. I know your trying to weed out the n00bs and smart asses..

Chris

**ZiR RED** · 07-17-2008, 10:21 AM

I'm not trying to weed anyone out.

My first question, I suppose, is has anyone tried any (legal, OTC) nootropics or neuro altering amino acids, what they tried, in what does, and what their results were.

I have tried a few:

Theanine 500-1500mg
Phenibut 1-3g
PEA 1500-2000mg
Tyrosine
Tyramine...ouch!
Piracetam
Aniracetam...great for studying

Br

**robbyybt** · 07-17-2008, 01:08 PM

I hadnt ever heard of them before but you have just got me really interested in these.

**A-Ron21** · 07-17-2008, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

I'm not trying to weed anyone out.

My first question, I suppose, is has anyone tried any (legal, OTC) nootropics or neuro altering amino acids, what they tried, in what does, and what their results were.

I have tried a few:

Theanine 500-1500mg
Phenibut 1-3g
PEA 1500-2000mg
Tyrosine
Tyramine...ouch!
Piracetam
Aniracetam...great for studying

Br

I've tried Tyrosine but I haven't noticed any significant effects. Red what is Aniracetam, and how is it good for studying?

Would Phosphatidylserine be included in these?

And one more question - you said legal nootropics, what would be an example of an illegal one?

**MikeNYY420** · 07-17-2008, 02:35 PM

No idea what you're talking about, but would like to learn. Why is phenibut your favorite?

**ZiR RED** · 07-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Phenibut is a gabergenic amino acid. It works, in simple terms, by increasing levels of the inhibitory neurotransmitter gaba in the brain.

From my experiences, it lends itself to a very calm, relaxed feeling. In higher doses you'll feel slightly buzzed. When the effects wear off you are left very tired, and generally sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed.

When I need to chill out and get work done I'll take 500mg, it helps curb my anxiety and let me focus at the task at hand.

When I want a good buzz, I'll take upwards of 1-2 grams.

You can find most these products on bulknutrition

Br

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-17-2008, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

From my experiences, it lends itself to a very calm, relaxed feeling. In higher doses you'll feel slightly buzzed. When the effects wear off you are left very tired, and generally sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed.
When I need to chill out and get work done I'll take 500mg, it helps curb my anxiety and let me focus at the task at hand.

When I want a good buzz, I'll take upwards of 1-2 grams.

You can find most these products on bulknutrition

Br

I'm liken that.. I'll take a double.. and one TO GO!!! woot woot

**MikeNYY420** · 07-17-2008, 07:02 PM

Sound good, hell why not I'll pick some up soon.

**robbyybt** · 07-17-2008, 07:07 PM

Dont know if you have seen this jay, Nootropics - Drugs Forum
Its a forum on nootropics.

Im gonna start studying this lol

Mcrain69 · 07-18-2008, 01:10 AM

You might actually begin to see these kinds of supplements popping up in new energy drinks. One of my friends in Knoxville created an energy drink with Piracetam. They are having a lot of success with it. I have read forums in which other people have talked about similar drinks appearing at their local health food stores. Do a google seach of Neuro Fuel to see more about the drink. I don't know if the dosage is quite high enough (750mg) to be effective though.

**A-Ron21** · 07-18-2008, 01:51 AM

Red, what is Aniracetam?

**allstar** · 07-18-2008, 01:58 AM

i thought that Aniracetam was only used for/on Alzheimer Disease patients

**A-Ron21** · 07-18-2008, 02:00 AM

I'm not sure, I posted a couple questions earlier. He mentioned it was a good study aid, and thats what interested me about it.

**allstar** · 07-18-2008, 02:08 AM

well Aniracetam works to reverse oxygen induced amnesia and reverses learning difficulties, also speeds up recovery time from hypoxia(shortage of oxygen in the body/blood)

Tripower · 07-18-2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbyybt

Dont know if you have seen this jay, Nootropics - Drugs Forum
Its a forum on nootropics.

Im gonna start studying this lol

Good link, this is new to me. Nice thread Br.

**A-Ron21** · 07-18-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allstar

well Aniracetam works to reverse oxygen induced amnesia and reverses learning difficulties, also speeds up recovery time from hypoxia(shortage of oxygen in the body/blood)

So it boosts O2 delivery to the brain therefore helping your cognitive abilities. That is cool. I'm definitely going to research it.

**ZiR RED** · 07-18-2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

So it boosts O2 delivery to the brain therefore helping your cognitive abilities. That is cool. I'm definitely going to research it.

Its similar to piracetam in effect, but more potent and with a shorter half life.

Br

**A-Ron21** · 07-19-2008, 01:34 AM

If thats how it helps boost memory and concentration, then how do drugs like Riddalin and others used for ADD/ADHD work to improve concentration? I thought of these because of the idea of college kids buying them illegally for use as study aids.

**robbyybt** · 07-28-2008, 03:31 PM

Hey Jay did you take choline while you were taking paricetam or aniracetam? It seems most people are split on wether its neccesary or not.

**ZiR RED** · 07-28-2008, 09:36 PM

I was not taking choline.

**Freak** · 07-28-2008, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

If thats how it helps boost memory and concentration, then how do drugs like Riddalin and others used for ADD/ADHD work to improve concentration? I thought of these because of the idea of college kids buying them illegally for use as study aids.

Riddalin is just a stimulant. I guess anymore its pretty easy to get via legal prescription.

F-111 · 07-29-2008, 03:05 AM

Definietely wanna learn more about these. Ive heard of them all before but dismissed them because i believe that the supplement market is already crowded enough. Will keep an eye in here for sure if it doesnt die.

**A-Ron21** · 07-29-2008, 11:23 AM

Yeah, this thread is definitely interesting, I just need to do some more research and find some questions to ask Red.

FriendlyRobotDog · 10-01-2008, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freak

Riddalin is just a stimulant. I guess anymore its pretty easy to get via legal prescription.

rittalin is GARBAGE. very bad for your body. I personally like modafinil, it is not as harsh on your liver and kidneys. It has a similar alertness promoting ability, but also seems to boost cognition a bit as well. I also like it better than adderall because it is not amphetamine based.

**A-Ron21** · 10-01-2008, 05:54 PM

Red, i've done some research about aniracetam. I know you just said you didn't take choline, but how long were you taking aniracetam? What was the doasge? I'm trying to determine if choline is necessary if its going to be used for a longer period of time, or at least on and off over time.

Oh, Red, what did you get your degree in? Just curious, didnt see it on your website. It only says BA from Rhode Island.