[danieltag1]

I have been buying ONs Gold Standard Whey for a couple of years now and when I first found it I was so excited. A cheap, great tasting powder that is close to 80% protein by weight with the majority of its protein source from isolates! What could be better? I've always know that the FDA doesnt really keep a close eye on supplements but I never doubted the legitimacy of ONs label until about four or five months or so. I was visiting a college and there was a vitamin store near by so I stopped in and noticed that they didn't sell ON. So I asked the owner and he said that an independent lab tested ONs powder and found that the protein content per scoop was not above twenty grams, which they claim, but rather in the low teens, it had more sugar in it than they put on the label, and the digestive enzymes that they claimed to put in were not even in there at all. He also told me about the BSN lawsuit going on involving their creatine in NO Xplode. As soon as I got home I looked up both things on the internet and found stuff on the BSN lawsuit but nothing about ON. But just because I didn't find anything online I couldn't disregard the fact that this entire company (i forget the name but its a chain like GNC, although maybe not as big) discontinued the product. It seems to make perfect sense too. Not only is ON one of the cheapest powders out there, but it also tastes ten times better than anything else and has the most protein by weight with the majority from isolates. It seems to good to be true. And even though I didn't find anything about the lab test on the internet I'm still not convinced. Maybe I'm being way too cynical but since ON is bodybuilding.com's biggest seller and in all the muscle mags ON has the most advertising (besides BSN and Muscletech) would it be too crazy for me to think that these major companies either paid the lab off not to publish their findings or they somehow just found out a way to keep word from spreading? I mean think about it. If word got out that ON was lying on the label then bodybuilding.com would lose not only their best selling supplement and the money that goes along with it, but also the respect of all their customers for not diving deeper into the situation. The magazines would also lose substantial advertising along with all of the GNCs, Vitamin Shoppes, and all the other chains that would have to discontinue or refund the product.
Im not sure if any of this is true or not but it got me curious. Now that school has ended and I don't have to chug a shake in between classes i have completely stopped buying any protein powder and just eat whole foods.

[T.O]

ON was just on here not to long ago and they published some studys they had ran to show the legitmacy of there product so I dont know whos giving you that info. Also it is true that it may be going trhough some of the same manufactures that GNC goes through. ( I dont know for sure) But GNC's quality is one of the best as well. There just so dam expensive. I dont believe the owner ecspecialy if he wast trying to sell you another protein brand. Ask him for the study or the link to the study so we can analyze it.

[Iron_Mercenary]

Yea I don't think BB.com or any other sellers would suffer that much simply based on how extremely competitive the supp industry is. There are thousands of companies striving to reach the top of the food chain.

I don't buy ON protein just because I really didn't see or feel any noticeable results while I was on it. That independent lab test you speak of sounds legit to me. Personally, I just stick to my CytoGainer. That product yeilds the greatest results for me. Ultimately the choice is up to the consumer, and every athlete should purchase the product that best satisfies their personal needs & works best for them.

[lil_big_junior]

ON is ONE of the best in the industry

[T.O]

Originally Posted by lil_big_junior

ON is ONE of the best in the industry

Yeah there should be an ON rep coming over soon.

[robbyybt]

Originally Posted by Teamorbit

Yeah there should be an ON rep coming over soon.

Is it just prudence being reinstated or is someone else coming?

[T.O]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

Is it just prudence being reinstated or is someone else coming?

No should be from the company. What do you mean by reinstated. I know what the word means but are you suggesting that its her with a undercover account?

[robbyybt]

Originally Posted by Teamorbit

No should be from the company. What do you mean by reinstated. I know what the word means but are you suggesting that its her with a undercover account?

nah nothing like that. I'm sure she was an ON rep before, but because they were only considering becoming a sponsor and never actually became a sponsor she had to stop posting about them.

(reinstated might not have been the word I was looking for, if so I apologise lol)

[T.O]

Its all good I was just trying to understand. Shes a sponsored athlete. Yeah I heard which is the rules so I agree in not advertising when not a sponsor. But in this case I think the members will really appreciate any information since this company is heavily used by the members here. It I dont care about sales but I too personaly love Optimum Nutrition.

[ON1]

First, I just want to say a big thanks for all of your support of our brand - it is hugely appreciated.

danieltag1 - a couple of quick points in response to your questions...
First, I would like to assure you that as the largest manufacturer of whey protein in the industry not only are we GMP approved but we spare no expense in making sure that each and every batch of every product that we manufacture meets and/or exceeds label claims

With that said, if you could email me or pm me the name and address of the retailer that gave you this information I would very much appreciate it as I would be more than interested in obtaining a copy of this purported "lab test" claiming that any of our products do not meet label claim.

Thanks!
Jay

[danieltag1]

I said before that i couldnt find the lab test. But just the fact that your protein tastes so good and is supposedly of the highest quality makes me suspicious. I bought Isopure by Natures Best after i got suspicious and it literally tasted like chalk. Obviously the goal of all companies is to make money, so they want to put the best product out there, and if chalk is what 100% isolates tastes like, then why does your powder (which is supposedly over 80% isolate) taste so good. And theoretically since the FDA only checks supplements to make sure they are safe for human consumption and not label accuracy, you could just fill the bottle with chocolate flavoring and sugar and sell it as protein powder and no one would be there to stop you

[T.O]

Originally Posted by danieltag1

I said before that i couldnt find the lab test. But just the fact that your protein tastes so good and is supposedly of the highest quality makes me suspicious. I bought Isopure by Natures Best after i got suspicious and it literally tasted like chalk. Obviously the goal of all companies is to make money, so they want to put the best product out there, and if chalk is what 100% isolates tastes like, then why does your powder (which is supposedly over 80% isolate) taste so good. And theoretically since the FDA only checks supplements to make sure they are safe for human consumption and not label accuracy, you could just fill the bottle with chocolate flavoring and sugar and sell it as protein powder and no one would be there to stop you

Dude your questioning one of the biggst companies with one of the best reputation for quality and value with no evidence to back up your statement. Its one thing to come on and express your opinon. Thats cool, if you think they suck. But dont come on here claiming you have seen studys and stuff of that nature with no proof because now your damaging there name and reputation. This post is a lot different from your first post. One has to think what your intentions really are with only 7 posts.

[T.O]

So I guess I should expect another thread with you questioning Myogenix, BSN, and muscle milk because they have some of the best tasting proteins therfore they must be the worst. And the company who makes the protein with the crappiest taste and clumps should be the best quality.

[danieltag1]

wait a second im not trying to damage anyones reputation or sabotage ON. and the fact that i only have seven posts just means that im new to the forum. why dont you look up the BSN lawsuit also. because of people who question things and dont just mindlessly shell out money to a company because they "say" their product is legit, BSN is being sued because their CE3 technology is allegedly fake.
im not trying to cause any problems i just want to make sure that when i shell out money for supplements that what is on the label is actually in the product. And i didnt say that i had any studies at all against ON i just said was the owner told me something and that i coudlnt find it. but that still got me thinking about companies that are not strictly FDA regulated and since ive been using ON for over two years and that is the one supplement that i have continuously kept buying i thought i would ask if anyone has heard anything similar.

[T.O]

Yeah we all know about the BSN. But nothing has been proven yet. Well have to wait and see. The taste of the product doesnt mean anything. Research and the reputation of the company is what you should go by. Thats why these forums are so important and what you say on here is very crucial. IMO it sounds like the owner of that supplement company wanted you to buy his brand or a certain brand and gave you excuses as to why he doesnt have the product in there. Mabey he doenst have the contact or the money to pick them up, or mabey his relationship with the company was negative. There could have been many reason. My goal in this thread is not to convince you that ON is the best, but to let you know that this company is a great company backed with nothing but positive reviews and Im sure actual facts showing the purity of there products.

[danieltag1]

fair enough thats all i wanted to know

[Optimum Nutrition]

Originally Posted by Teamorbit

Its all good I was just trying to understand. Shes a sponsored athlete. Yeah I heard which is the rules so I agree in not advertising when not a sponsor. But in this case I think the members will really appreciate any information since this company is heavily used by the members here. It I dont care about sales but I too personaly love Optimum Nutrition.

Thanks Team Orbit. Appreciate the support, and as Jay said, we appreciate all you guys for supporting us. Great board for ON fans.

I think Jay pretty much said all there is to say about danieltag1 original message and ridiculous title, and seeing his response pretty much puts this thread to bed.

Regarding Prudence...She still comes on here to answer anyone's questions or to give suggestions based on an existing thread. But we're not going to be coming on here to talk about our new products. I think most people who are fans check our site enough to know when the new stuff is out, and I can respect the owners of this board and the companies paying to advertise on here not wanting non-paying companies coming on here to overly promote.

So Prudence or myself will be on here just checking to see if anyone has any general questions or just needs clearing up on some product.

Again, thanks for all your support!

Bob

[Zack]

you're a champ bob

[Prudence]

wow, you guys have said it all. i think daniel's question was more of a compliment than anything else. ON does have some great tasting stuff and they're really high in quality. i have 3 lab reports, but the file is too large to attach on here. whoever wants it, give me your e-mail and i can send it to you.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by Optimum Nutrition

Thanks Team Orbit. Appreciate the support, and as Jay said, we appreciate all you guys for supporting us. Great board for ON fans.

I think Jay pretty much said all there is to say about danieltag1 original message and ridiculous title, and seeing his response pretty much puts this thread to bed.

Regarding Prudence...She still comes on here to answer anyone's questions or to give suggestions based on an existing thread. But we're not going to be coming on here to talk about our new products. I think most people who are fans check our site enough to know when the new stuff is out, and I can respect the owners of this board and the companies paying to advertise on here not wanting non-paying companies coming on here to overly promote.

So Prudence or myself will be on here just checking to see if anyone has any general questions or just needs clearing up on some product.

Again, thanks for all your support!

Bob

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

[ibanezman88]

what?
ON whey has given me better results than ANY protein powder i've ever used including, true mass, syntha 6, muslce milk, champion nutriton heavy weightgainer, isopure and many others!

although some of these are good products, they don't compare with the progress i've made with ON's whey.

[Half Second]

lab reports schmlab reports, ON all the way

[A-Ron21]

They have secret magic that makes their protein work and taste better than anyone elses.

Seriously though, I Optimum is a great company, I love their stuff. You guys just need to come out with a good GH releaser! (hehe)

[LordOfTerror]

Hi, sorry to bug you, I'm from Greece, I'm a student and I'm new in this sport. I'm trying to find a good casein powder for bed-time, as I said I'm a student and I don't wanna spend my money in junk. I wanted to ask you I you had any other lab tests for casein or whey or blends. I wanted to buy bsn's syntha 6 but they don't write at their label how much casein is there. Should i just buy something pure like optimum's casein or are there any good blends with much casein?

[Optimum Nutrition]

Originally Posted by LordOfTerror

Hi, sorry to bug you, I'm from Greece, I'm a student and I'm new in this sport. I'm trying to find a good casein powder for bed-time, as I said I'm a student and I don't wanna spend my money in junk. I wanted to ask you I you had any other lab tests for casein or whey or blends. I wanted to buy bsn's syntha 6 but they don't write at their label how much casein is there. Should i just buy something pure like optimum's casein or are there any good blends with much casein?

Well, I don't have any lab reports for our Casein product, but rest assured what we say is in there is in there. We've never had any issues with false lab reports or products not having what it says in there. We make our own products, and do not rely on anyone else to make it for us.

Casein is one of our top 5 products, so you're safe with our product. You can get it here from Orbit Nutrition.

[LordOfTerror]

I trust your company, I just asked about the other companies blends that contain micellar casein. I wanna know how much casein they have. For example, is their casein 1gr per 100gr of powder? Why don't they write the percentage of casein at their product labels?

[odinlives]

I think ON has great proteins. I use the whey and the casein. I think a store might not carry it because they notice it sells out more than their brand. When I used to buy it at the Vitamin Shop I would have to go through a 10 minute debate with the guy behind the counter over why I won't buy their brand because it's just as good if not better. This happened 3 times I went in but I always left with ON. Then they raised the price to even more on the ON and now I buy it online and it's cheaper even with shipping.

[LordOfTerror]

Any opinion about EAS's products? I buy their whey protein, it's expensive so I think it has to be good. But ON's casein is a product I wanna definetly try.

[DThomp21]

When I worked for GNC, the corporate guy told me that ON actually made GNC's protein. Anybody heard this??

[Nebraska1]

^^ I havent heard THAT but they have taken ON's protein and supps inside the protein and tried to make there own, which they have and its bad hahaha !! Got a half container to try from my friend who works there and its nasty taste n and WAY over priced if your ask me !!!
STAYED WITH ON.....STICK WITH THE BEST GET THE BEST RESULTS !!