I'm on both, I've been on them for about a couple months and I've seen huge gains, I guess it depends on your diet and you workouts?. you need a good base before you start using them, My food intake went through the roof when i started taking them because my workouts got way more heavy and more intense. thats what makes you grow like a mutant :)
And yes my poos are i little loose on this stuff :)
Bottom line, this stuff is AWESOME
Don
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