some help with spawn

Gym Warrior · 04-17-2008, 10:56 PM

im going to buy two bottle of spawn. i was going to buy it from a certain store but he did not give me all the info. i believe he was just trying to make a sale. i was wondering what to take with the bottle and after the bottle. i know i got to take milk thistle for liver support and a serm such as clomid for pct. after the four week of pct, how long should i wait till i can take the next spawn bottle? and, anything else i should take?

im currently 23 yrs, 5'4, 250lbs. dont really know my percentage of fat but its more muscle than fat and im a endomorph. i have been into bodybuilding for about 6 year but only have taken creatin and other supps. im taking protein powders but mostly food. my regiment is solid, high pro, medium carb and good fats. i know what to eat. this will be my first prohormone. by the way, im using my roomates bodybuildingdungeon account.
thanxs for the help, i will be having my own dungeon account as soon as i can get it.

**T.O** · 04-18-2008, 12:32 AM

Hey bro. Your not talkiing about us are you? I know you pmed us and I hope we were able to help you out. We dont care where you buy it from but I just hope I didnt neglect to help a fellow member out. If that be the case sorry bro.

**mitbar** · 04-18-2008, 12:46 AM

typically the rule of thumb is cycle plus pct= amount of time off needed. if you run the spawn for 4 weeks and pct for 4 weeks then i would take like 8 weeks off then hit it again. you could probably get away with waiting 4 but that is up to you bro. Try orbit bro he is the man and helps out big time. hit him up and see what THE MAN can tell you. Good luck with your cycle bro and keep us posted as to how it goes.

Gym Warrior · 04-18-2008, 05:15 PM

hey orbit, u helped me out great! thanks...

but my roomie needed some help and didnt have a bodybuildingdungeon account so i gave him my password and stuff so u guys could help him like u helped me! so this is my roomies thread...

and my cycle of testanate50 is running great!...gaining mass on my 1st week already!

Gym Warrior · 04-18-2008, 05:17 PM

oh yeah and before i forget to mention...i recomended him to buy from you, orbit....

**T.O** · 04-18-2008, 05:29 PM

Thanks brotha. Just have him PM me and Ill give him all the info I can. Keep us updated with your testenate cycle. :)

Gym Warrior · 04-20-2008, 10:41 PM

cool brutha! heard he hit u up...i was gone pretty much all weekend...

but as far as my testanate50 cycle...i started at 166.2 lbs last on monday and as far as today i am at 173 lbs.

so one week and i gained about 7 lbs but some fat cuz im taking Ultimate Nutrition Muscle Juice and thats kinda getting me fat! but i've seen some good increase in strength and mass already! good stuff

**mitbar** · 04-20-2008, 11:11 PM

what are u taking after your test 50 cycle...just wondering like what kind of pct? just trying to learn...thanks bro.

Gym Warrior · 04-20-2008, 11:25 PM

im taking a SERM (Novadex, or however u spell it) im taking 40 mg my first two weeks and then 20 mg the last two weeks.

if u cant get a SERM than i hear the Advanced PCT from Anabolic Xtreme is pretty good, cant really replace the SERM but i hear its good also...correct me if im wrong, orbit, mm1snapper or anyone...

hit me up if u have any question bro

**mitbar** · 04-20-2008, 11:27 PM

thanks bro i appreciate the quick reply...i figured it would take a serm. i am a chicken **** right now so dont want to go that route quite yet. thanks bro.

Gym Warrior · 04-21-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mitbar

thanks bro i appreciate the quick reply...i figured it would take a serm. i am a chicken **** right now so dont want to go that route quite yet. thanks bro.

no problem bro...its good to see someone who wants to learn about this before taking it...seen too much **** happen to those who didnt know what they were taking

submit33 · 11-25-2008, 08:41 PM

Can you take a PCT that is not a SERM after SPAWN??
And if so what are the disadvantages to not taking a SERM??

**mitbar** · 11-25-2008, 10:47 PM

get a serm man.

disadvantages of not using a serm are increased estrogen levels that you cant bring down fast enough which then causes gyno (bitch tits). plus you will loose most your gains. pointless if you dont use one.

MacOtac · 12-02-2008, 02:42 PM

Would Animal M-tabs suffice as a pct? After taking spawn?

Gym Warrior · 12-02-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MacOtac

Would Animal M-tabs suffice as a pct? After taking spawn?

NOPE!!! You need a SERM bro! Mitbar said it clearly in a previous post basically saying that OTC PCT wont work as well as a SERM and puts u at risk for gyno!

MacOtac · 12-02-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gym Warrior

NOPE!!! You need a SERM bro! Mitbar said it clearly in a previous post basically saying that OTC PCT wont work as well as a SERM and puts u at risk for gyno!

I meant M-Stak and Spawn is not a major player in reducing test levels enough to cause major after effect as real gear does. Spawn already has DHT blockers and No estrogen conversion it says. It recommends a form of PCT but I think you don't need anything more than M-stack or 6-oxo. Taking Clomid or Nolva I think is to harsh. Save that stuff for Gear PCT. Just my 2 cents

submit33 · 12-03-2008, 08:14 PM

I would like to hear from people who have taken spawn and what PCT they took and the results they got??
I have also heard that spawn does not affect the estrogen levels much at all???

MacOtac · 12-04-2008, 02:52 AM

I am finishing one bottle of Spawn right now, have about 6 days left. I worked my way up to 3 pills a day and working off to 2 pills a day right now. The bottle last a little longer than 4 weeks. I am taking Animal Test, Animal Pump, Animal Nitro, Uni-Liver and an Animal Pack vitamin. My weight at start was 225 and now I am at about 245-250. I put on 20+ pounds of good muscle in my mind. All my buddies think I am on gear!! I am going to start my cut in a little over a week and will take Animal Cuts and Animal M-Stak for a PCT along with Nitro and Uni-liver. Like I said before the Spawn is a strong substance and should have a form of pct but no need for Clomid or Nolva... that **** is for gear! I will let you know how it works out as I finish it up.

**JakeVendetta** · 12-04-2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MacOtac

I am finishing one bottle of Spawn right now, have about 6 days left. I worked my way up to 3 pills a day and working off to 2 pills a day right now. The bottle last a little longer than 4 weeks. I am taking Animal Test, Animal Pump, Animal Nitro, Uni-Liver and an Animal Pack vitamin. My weight at start was 225 and now I am at about 245-250. I put on 20+ pounds of good muscle in my mind. All my buddies think I am on gear!! I am going to start my cut in a little over a week and will take Animal Cuts and Animal M-Stak for a PCT along with Nitro and Uni-liver. Like I said before the Spawn is a strong substance and should have a form of pct but no need for Clomid or Nolva... that **** is for gear! I will let you know how it works out as I finish it up.

I hope you have got blood work to back up those claims. I assure you the recovery will be nothing like it would be with a SERM.

Gym Warrior · 12-04-2008, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

I hope you have got blood work to back up those claims. I assure you the recovery will be nothing like it would be with a SERM.

cosign! ^^^^

MacOtac as for your remark that clomid and nolva is for gear...wrong! its for prohormones and gear! no matter what people say, you should take a SERM for PCT for both. it helps a lot more to restore your natty test levels than an OTC! mm1snapper and all the vets can back that up...

MacOtac · 12-04-2008, 03:22 AM

I disagree and feel that you don't need a major SERM to take after one 30 day cycle of Spawn. Remember this is not a 8-16 week gear cycle that is completely shutting down my system that it would take a strong SERM to kick start me back up. I feel all you need is an OTC natural SERM to help retain and maintain hormone levels after taking a supplement like Spawn. A SERM is bad on the body and should only be taken as needed when needed. Not to be taken just cause that is what you do. Just what I feel and what I plan to do after I am done taking the Spawn.

**JakeVendetta** · 12-04-2008, 03:28 AM

You still get shutdown by PH's to some extent (relative to the PH in question), regardless of how long your shutdwon for this should be of some concern. If you dont want to use one thats up to you, but I would of definitely liked to see some before and after bloodwork then some a few weeks after stoping. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just interested.

MacOtac · 12-04-2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

You still get shutdown by PH's to some extent (relative to the PH in question), regardless of how long your shutdwon for this should be of some concern. If you dont want to use one thats up to you, but I would of definitely liked to see some before and after bloodwork then some a few weeks after stoping. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just interested.

Yeah, well if I had the luxury to take a blood test and wanted to spend the money than yeah, but it would cost more to do the blood test than what the product is worth... I mean you can say "Well its your body do what you want but I would get a blood test!" If I cared 100% what went into my body I would be the Healthiest cross fit mofo out there, but as for an OTC pro hormone that has DHT and Estrogen Blockers already in it and the length I am taking it I feel that an OTC SERM would be more than enough. How do you know that all the OTC SERMs out there are not good enough??? Have to get Blood work, right?

**JakeVendetta** · 12-04-2008, 04:08 AM

exactly right ;-) If there were more info on the over the counter PCT options, and they proved theirselves affective, I would be all for them. As of right now, although I've been out of the PH game a while, I havent seen anything conclusive. IF you did blood test it would be helping others out to prove disprove for future reference. Theres no reason to get snippy with me by the way, I'm all for new options, but I'm also all for doing things the safest and most affective way possible. What exactly do you have planned for your OTC PCT? I will admit that I have heard there are becoming more readily available descent OTC options out there.

MacOtac · 12-04-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

exactly right ;-) If there were more info on the over the counter PCT options, and they proved theirselves affective, I would be all for them. As of right now, although I've been out of the PH game a while, I havent seen anything conclusive. IF you did blood test it would be helping others out to prove disprove for future reference. Theres no reason to get snippy with me by the way, I'm all for new options, but I'm also all for doing things the safest and most affective way possible. What exactly do you have planned for your OTC PCT? I will admit that I have heard there are becoming more readily available descent OTC options out there.

Don't mean to be snippy, but I don't like it when people automatically resort to harsh SERMS as the God given answer as PCT (not saying you are the one saying this). Those SERMS are proven to work for long Steroid Cycles. Spawn is a Pro hormone that has had its chemical property altered and added too, to not produce the sides of true gear. DHT and Estrogen Blockers... I do agree it will have some lowering of natural hormones but nothing even close to where I feel you will have to take Clom or Nolva. We will never know the true answer and I could be completely wrong, until somebody does the blood work and can prove what you need. But, I have taken gear and OTC pro hormones in different cycles... With gear I do a real PCT as with all my OTC Hormone cycles I have always used natural OTC SERMs and find no side doing so. Just my 2 cents and from my experience!

**JakeVendetta** · 12-04-2008, 04:24 AM

Its ok, I definitely see where your coming from and appreciate your opinion.

**mitbar** · 12-04-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MacOtac

Don't mean to be snippy, but I don't like it when people automatically resort to harsh SERMS as the God given answer as PCT (not saying you are the one saying this). Those SERMS are proven to work for long Steroid Cycles. Spawn is a Pro hormone that has had its chemical property altered and added too, to not produce the sides of true gear. DHT and Estrogen Blockers... I do agree it will have some lowering of natural hormones but nothing even close to where I feel you will have to take Clom or Nolva. We will never know the true answer and I could be completely wrong, until somebody does the blood work and can prove what you need. But, I have taken gear and OTC pro hormones in different cycles... With gear I do a real PCT as with all my OTC Hormone cycles I have always used natural OTC SERMs and find no side doing so. Just my 2 cents and from my experience!

not to sound like an ass but phs are a designer steroid that converst in your body and clomid is not harsh at the amounts that you would take for a pct. 50mg ed for two weeks is mild to the say the least. nolva is not harsh either, think about all the women that take it for years at 20-40mg ed for breast cancer. if its so hash why are docs giving it out at the same dosage we would be taking. not trying to argue just throwing another point out there about harshness. now if your a dumbass and take over 100mg of clomid ed then yes you will have sides like blindness and emotionalness but that dosage is way to high for even a twelve week cycle of gear. (not calling you a dumbass just a generalization of people).

**projecthatch92** · 12-04-2008, 02:30 PM

so what you guys are saying is that just to be safe take a SERM with spawn?

Gym Warrior · 12-04-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by projecthatch92

so what you guys are saying is that just to be safe take a SERM with spawn?

yea def the safe way proven is to PCT with a SERM.

MacOtac i apologize if u felt attacked by me and i in no way tried that. its just a matter of opinions.
but another reason i will throw out there is that prohormones are a lot more harsh on the body than gear. thus i know and believe you should go the safe way and take a SERM because your body is going through enough as it is. and SERMs are proven to be safer and more effective. but yea if you find anything that OTC works and has backup than im all ears!

oh and Mitbar, couldnt agree with you more!