[alias82]

just a quick pole i guess on which stack most of you would go for.

Stack A:BSN Stack - No-Xplode, CellMass, Nitrix 360

or

Stack B:NOVEDEX - SIZEON - SUPERPUMP 250 GASPARI ANABOLIC STACK

[Zack]

STACK A FIRST AND FOREMOST EVERY TIME

[justlift32]

stack a.

personally, those are all expensive and over hyped. all you really need is a good solid whey protein (ON Gold Standard), some creatine mono, bcaa's, multivit, and casein

[bigbull]

stack a is the best

[musicmann89]

stack b but throw in some plasma jet

[mr_bhana]

i dont see the need for both nitrix and no explode in stack a, are they not both NO products?

[Zack]

yeah, but Nitrix is more for an all day pump

[islander]

Originally Posted by musicmann89

stack b but throw in some plasma jet

plamsa jet OR superpump not both.

[johnnyairwaves]

In my experience, both give you the effect of putting on size but when off them your body will deplete in size because both make you gain water weight. Pumps are great for looking in the mirror but are not a true representation of your natural state and gains. I was hyped on all these products until very recently.

Supplements are scientific as they react very differently to each of us. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time and money to discover what will truly work for you. In addition, genetics and diet play the most crucial role.

Alias, what are your goals, Age, Height, Weight and a few lifting stats? Once known you can match them up with many here in the Dungeon. Then you can achieve the best advice against what works well for others in your situation.

[Zack]

supps are supplementary for a reason man.

gotta do what's best for you, but gotta keep that diet tuned in first.

Without a diet that's almost dead ass perfect, ur just wasting ur money and ur time

[alias82]

my stats are im
25yrs old, 6'6 and currently 95kg. my bench average is 100kg for about 8-10 reps i can squat 180kg for 10-12 reps. I usually do 4 sets and total of about 12-14 working
sets per body part.
Dead lift not sure dont really do that exersize but i use about 160-180 for my shrugs. I play sport so my cardio is right up there. When i first started training 10months ago i was about 82-84kg i quickly reached 100kg and football season started so i am trying to juggle that with my weights and its difficult i wont lie. i dropped 4-5kg since start of season 10weeks ago. I use a weight gainer protein and a creatine mono pwo. As well as eating like i want to be a sumo everything i could get my hands on, i am what you refer to as a hard gainer. I am aware that it will be almost impossable to bulk mass during season so i have had to re-approach my goals, as i do not want to lose the size and strength i have worked so hard for. My goal now, is to be by the end of my football season in about 5-6months time stronger, alot fitter, noticably bigger and ripped with like 10% BF or less and still keeping around the 95-100kg body weight. I have altered my diet slightly by increasing my carb and portein intake to replenish my system before during and after training. My weight training is still much the same but instead of the 5 day program i was on before season i now train only 3 days with football games and training taking the other time as well as much needed rest time. I am still using heavy weights in form and keeping the 8-12 rep x 4 set to keep building strength. I feel that i have hit a Y in the road and need to take the right turn towards my goal or i will end up back tracking(if you know what i mean). I also feel that with such a heavy training schedule there is something else needed to help my body along towards my goals and recovery especially. I cant think of much else to say, so i look forward to hearing some informative responses.
Any and all advice will be very much appreciated.

[musicmann89]

Originally Posted by islander

plamsa jet OR superpump not both.

no, i meant both

[jaycamm]

Originally Posted by musicmann89

no, i meant both

hehe, ya take both.

im gonna buy plasmajet either today or tomorrow (and superpump), better be good at 80$ lol.

oh and yah, ive been on nano vapour for a while,,it is actually a good NO for someone just starting to use NO's, but im personally getting sick of it, not feeling it unless i use like 4 scoops lol, which i know im not supposed 2...

so yah, im gonna try some superpump (first time) and plasmajet
...as well im taking the basic vitamins and protein

ill let u know on how the s.p and p.j work out...

[islander]

have you taken both before^^?

i was talking with a guy who has taken quite a few differnt supps over the years and there nothing he said like plasma jet. he said make sure you drink looots of water. his body was actully swollen then next day after this first dose. If you are new to these produst I wouldnt mix them try them both individually. Plama Jet to supposed to be a longer acting product. Rich Gaspari was in my supp store last week giving everybody the run down on his products, im going to today and will ask what they think of someone taking both. It actully says on the superpump label not to take with anything else and Im sure the Plasma Jet will be the same. After listening to what this guy told me about his Plasma Jet experience I would just take its ment to be taken. Whos knows mabey Im wrong but if havent tried either I would stick with one or the other until you see how it reacts with your body.

jay sounds like you have tried no products if you have to buy one by the plasma jet. then tell me how it is lol. im new to no products and my body hasnt ajusted to anything yet but p.j still sounds a little to intence for me.

[jaycamm]

Originally Posted by islander

have you taken both before^^?

i was talking with a guy who has taken quite a few differnt supps over the years and there nothing he said like plasma jet. he said make sure you drink looots of water. his body was actully swollen then next day after this first dose. If you are new to these produst I wouldnt mix them try them both individually. Plama Jet to supposed to be a longer acting product. Rich Gaspari was in my supp store last week giving everybody the run down on his products, im going to today and will ask what they think of someone taking both. It actully says on the superpump label not to take with anything else and Im sure the Plasma Jet will be the same. After listening to what this guy told me about his Plasma Jet experience I would just take its ment to be taken. Whos knows mabey Im wrong but if havent tried either I would stick with one or the other until you see how it reacts with your body.

hey, no currently im on nano vapor with cre-alkalyine (however u spell it) pills....

but i was looking at plasmajEt on snd (canadian retailer) and it recommends you take it with superpump and size on,,,like all companies do (take it with so and so)

so yah, im sure its fine,,,it will only make u more freakish looking.

[islander]

Originally Posted by johnnyairwaves

In my experience, both give you the effect of putting on size but when off them your body will deplete in size because both make you gain water weight. Pumps are great for looking in the mirror but are not a true representation of your natural state and gains. I was hyped on all these products until very recently.

Supplements are scientific as they react very differently to each of us. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time and money to discover what will truly work for you. In addition, genetics and diet play the most crucial role.

Can you tell us your experiences and what you mean. Did you take something and found when you went off it you had some negative effects?
Im new too and dont want any fake muscles that will shrink or anything if i stop taking a certain supp or not beable to lift as much without a daily dose of something.Thanks

[islander]

lol really alright then. snd eh hmm ill look them up. and im such a skeptic i wouldnt belive what i website that sells supps tells me to buy. of course they want to you buy as much as possible. have you looked on the gaspari site?

[johnnyairwaves]

Originally Posted by islander

Can you tell us your experiences and what you mean. Did you take something and found when you went off it you had some negative effects?
Im new too and dont want any fake muscles that will shrink or anything if i stop taking a certain supp or not beable to lift as much without a daily dose of something.Thanks

Nothing negative really, I just cant justify the costs in the end. I just never kept the same size when I went off NO products(pump) and creatines(water weight). My lifts significantly increased and have stayed but that was merely the energy that was provided by the supp. The Pump is great to look at for the time being but the pump is temporary. I honestly credit my diet, routine and my lifting partner for pushing me for my great gains.

[islander]

So you guys are all right. I just figured since they are sush a similar product why you would need both. Rather err on the side of caution and take to little then to much. Thanks Johhny glad to hear there was no negatives. Id loove to have a training partner again. Im going for that extra pump and and gains of course but recouvery is big for me the the extra bump of engery I seem to need these days. Im 30 and work then hit the gym and I dont think lots of these young guys 16-24 who are at a peak hormonally need so much of this stuff esp for what it costs.

[JakeVendetta]

Originally Posted by justlift32

personally, those are all expensive and over hyped. all you really need is a good solid whey protein (ON Gold Standard), some creatine mono, bcaa's, multivit, and casein

Agree completely.

[musicmann89]

Originally Posted by islander

have you taken both before^^?

i was talking with a guy who has taken quite a few differnt supps over the years and there nothing he said like plasma jet. he said make sure you drink looots of water. his body was actully swollen then next day after this first dose. If you are new to these produst I wouldnt mix them try them both individually. Plama Jet to supposed to be a longer acting product. Rich Gaspari was in my supp store last week giving everybody the run down on his products, im going to today and will ask what they think of someone taking both. It actully says on the superpump label not to take with anything else and Im sure the Plasma Jet will be the same. After listening to what this guy told me about his Plasma Jet experience I would just take its ment to be taken. Whos knows mabey Im wrong but if havent tried either I would stick with one or the other until you see how it reacts with your body.

jay sounds like you have tried no products if you have to buy one by the plasma jet. then tell me how it is lol. im new to no products and my body hasnt ajusted to anything yet but p.j still sounds a little to intence for me.

i take both plasma with either superpump or no xplode i like superpump better

[dieseld]

i would spend my money on more/better nutrition...that stuff is great for awhile, but when you come off it you lose it. being 6'6 and fairly young, eating should be your fulltime job. any knowledgable bber will tell you clean food will destroy all those "quick fix" supplements that leave you hanging after you get off them. oh, and you don't do deads? sir, plz understand, shrugs are **** compared to the almight deads! squat, press, dead, chin-repeat