[Yousef89]

Hello Guys I have recently started to add some supplements to my stack as my diet is very good and I believe adding supplements will maximize my muscle growth but would like a second opinion or advise for improvements with what im using,

Met-rx Vits and minerals
Biorhythm's Kre-Alkalyn Creatine (capulsed creatine - advanced)
Biorhythm's Androbolix (testosterone boost)
N-Large 2 Mass Gainer (chocolate flavour)
Preworkout energy - Biorhythms Arnge Krush
Post workout - Reflex BCAA's (amino acids)
CNP- Pro Fuel (Complex Carbs)

What you think guys or any questions you want to ask about the products I use.

Hit me back!

[Zack]

u want a casein protein for overnight to keep you anabolic.

you also want to take the mass gainer/whey or w/e you have post-workout to start up the protein synthesis

[Yousef89]

thanks for the tip, do the BCAA's not do this then? I want to stay anabolic overnight so I have the protrein before I go to bed, apparantly you shouldnt mix protein with arnge krush thats why I stopped taking immediately after workout and just have the aminos instead

[GAMEOVER-]

Add CNP Profesional (Dorian Yates Approved if you order from here) ProPeptide and add it as your night time Protein. This should be your most important protein (anti-catabolic). No use in all that hard work just to lose it over night.

[Yousef89]

OK I'm going to try adding a Peptide to this stack, any other thoughts? Any people who use the same things as me? what results have you had, i seem to be puttin on 2-5lbs per week but this has started to slow down

[Zack]

those are prolly noob gains and ur cns and muscle memory were going hardcore. now it's prolly slowing a bit. u just gotta keep pushing and change things up once in a while

[mr_bhana]

agree with zack with the casein.. its a slower digesting protein to keep you going through your sleep.. most protein shakes with have small amounts of BCAAs in them but you defo need simple carbs w/protein PWO, im not sure if the n-large is simple carbs but you could use it pwo.

[Tall HardGainer]

MHP Probolic-SR is a really good protein for over night, 12 hour release so that you get the nutrients you need and not lose what you work hard for as stated above. Also, how old are you, I ask because you stated you were taking a test booster.

[KM]

Originally Posted by ZackKnight

those are prolly noob gains and ur cns and muscle memory were going hardcore. now it's prolly slowing a bit. u just gotta keep pushing and change things up once in a while

How long has he (thread creator, lol) been working out?

I think you meant neurological gains due to the bodies change of motor units while increasing muscle efficiency. This usually begins to low down after a good 6 or so months of progressive resistance/weight training. Muscle memory really wouldn't fit in here either unless he's beginning again, can't tell if he is or not, might have missed it.

Just though I'd through that in there.

[Yousef89]

I'm 18 years of age and been working out for about 4 months, im 6'1 and weight 11'8lbs, my aim is to be 13st, the test booster is more of a maintainance supplement, doesnt really create more test but maintains it. Tbh it makes me more focused and sex drive is through the roof, Pro-fuel accounts for my complex carbs...

[Zack]

ur test is so high right now there's no need for the booster

[Yousef89]

Yeah but I find I'm performing alot better with it, the guy at the store said it just maintains levels as sometimes levels drop, it does seem to give me an extra kick and muscle growth seems better

[GAMEOVER-]

Originally Posted by Yousef89

Yeah but I find I'm performing alot better with it, the guy at the store said it just maintains levels as sometimes levels drop, it does seem to give me an extra kick and muscle growth seems better

If taking that gives you the confidence your showing that alone can make it worth it. You really do not need it though. What that guy told you is called a sales pitch. Your test levels will rise and drop no matter what your on, even on steroids. Thats just the way it is.

[johnnyairwaves]

Originally Posted by Yousef89

I'm 18 years of age and been working out for about 4 months, im 6'1 and weight 11'8lbs, my aim is to be 13st, the test booster is more of a maintainance supplement, doesnt really create more test but maintains it. Tbh it makes me more focused and sex drive is through the roof, Pro-fuel accounts for my complex carbs...

Is that 6'1" and 118 Lbs?

KEEP:
Met-rx Vits and minerals
Biorhythm's Kre-Alkalyn Creatine (capulsed creatine - advanced) - Compare this to SCI FIT Kre-Alkalyn.
N-Large 2 Mass Gainer (chocolate flavour) - (RussianBear 5000 is highly recommended as well as BSN's TrueMass)
Preworkout energy - Biorhythms Arnge Krush - (keep if benefiting)
ON 100% CASEIN - as recommended before bed. Take this and your Gainer with Milk.

Test boosters are really aimed at 30yrs+ individuals when test starts to drop, for younger men they tend to make you break out in acne. You shouldn't need help with your sex drive being 18. Research this stuff from various sources before spending your money.

[Yousef89]

I'm around 165lbs at the moment, yes I will cut out the test booster once finished, before I started working out I used to smoke alot of weed which mushed up my head abit and seriously depleted my sex drive, along with losing someone close to me I just couldnt be bovered with it! So it does kind of help, but your right - unjustifyable waste of money. Next week I will buy reflex muscullar casein, thats good advice with the alternatives but looks like im going to have to change supplier to get what you suggest

[Yousef89]

and what about the bcaas?

[johnnyairwaves]

Your Weight Gainer and CASEIN have plenty of BCAA's. You'll learn a lot just by looking at the supplement facts on the back of every product. For an online Supplement supplier look to Orbit Nutrition as far as in store you cannot beat The Vitamin Shoppe's prices. GNC is a ripoff.

ON 100% CASEIN is a Low Carb Slow Digesting, Anti Catabolic Miceller Protein With Glutamine.

THEY STATE:
Sometimes slower is better - especially when it comes to the rate of protein digestion. While rapid protein absorption is desirable immediately before or after exercise, delayed release is probably more beneficial throughout the remainder of the day.

Casein proteins are pH sensitive and gel in the acidic environment of the stomach. As a result, it can take more than twice as long for caseins to be broken-down into their amino acid subcomponents than whey and other proteins. Because of their unique time-released qualities, caseins are aptly described as anti-catabolic or muscle-protecting proteins.


24 g Instantized Blend of Slow-Digesting Casein-Based Proteins
Rich in Highly Anti-Catabolic Micellar Casein
Over 9 g of BCAAs, Glutamine, and Glutamine Precursors per Scoop
Only 3-4 g of Carbs

Essential Amino Acids (EAAs)

Tryptophan 280mg
Valine 1542mg
Threonine 996mg
Isoleucine 1257mg
Leucine 2040mg
Lysine 1746mg
Phenylalanine 1096mg
Methionine 617mg

Conditionally Essential Amino Acids (CAAs)

Arginine 830mg
Cystine 76mg
Tyrosine 811mg
Histidine 659mg
Proline 2320mg
Glutamine & Precursors 4744mg

Nonessential Amino Acids (NAAs)

Aspartic Acid 1523mg
Serine 1338mg
Glycine 489mg
Alanine 636mg

[GAMEOVER-]

To me a Complex or Casein is more important then Whey. If you look at serious builders supplements you most deffinately will see one of the two. Some just supplement with pure egg whites.

For some reason I feel fuller when I drink my Propeptide at night then when I drink my Whey post workout.


The creatine is an iffy supplement with me. Yeah its proven but I think your best bet would be to wait until you hit a road block in your workout then take it. Or if you have the money just cycle it. If you use all your resources up now it will make smashing through that next weight increase even harder.