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Old 03-09-2008, 12:00 PM   #1
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When do you guys take it, before or after workout? before going to bed or after waking up?
 
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right this is how you should take it

on trainin day

30mins before you train
after you train
and before bed

non trainin days

in the mornin
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i take it soon as i wake up, and after training i added to my shake.
 
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Thanks guys
 
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I think some ppl take it at different times...On training days I take it 45 min before I workout..and drink it while I work out. On non training days I take it before I go to bed.
 
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you are ment to take it 3 times per day for it to work
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in the morning with breakfast, with pre and/or post shakes (split dosage in half), and with your nighttime snack, small dosages throughout the day will max effects.
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Old 03-09-2008, 06:42 PM   #8
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Does it matter what I take it with? (water, juice, shake, etc)
 
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na it doesnt i take it with any thing even my protein shakes
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Old 03-09-2008, 07:54 PM   #10
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Don't take it, it's a waste of money.
 
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Old 03-09-2008, 07:56 PM   #11
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Don't take it, it's a waste of money.
Thats a matter of opinion. Theres both sutdys showing that it does work and that it doesnt. We have been down that road many times, there are still many people who like to take it including myself.

I use it pre and post workout and before bed.
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:39 PM   #13
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i've never seen a study that says it's useful for the weight training male, though I've posted several to the contrary. Care to post the ones you've mentioned so I can learn a little?
 
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:02 AM   #14
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i've never seen a study that says it's useful for the weight training male, though I've posted several to the contrary. Care to post the ones you've mentioned so I can learn a little?
To be honest bro I really dont feel like it. I have had many debates about this even before Iwas a sponsor here. Including one time with Layne. There are a lot out there I promise you. Jut take the time to search. This really isnt a big issue to try and proove because so man aggree with me. Im sorry if I sound like a ****. Im sure you may find something if you look through my old post.
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I accept your appology for sounding like a ****.

And I disagree. But fair enough.

ps. because people agree with you does not mean you're right.
 
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ps. because people agree with you does not mean you're right.
Thats a very stupid attempt to try and get the last word. No where in my statment did I imply that people agree with me therfore Im right. Re-read the post. I said this is a stupid argument, the type I have had many times and is only going to end with the both of us disagreeing with counter facts. Do a search here and you will see that same pattern. I said enough people think the same way I do therfore I dont find a need to argue with you. Now did you want me to put that in different terms or mabey another language.

Let me get this straight from your mouth. Your telling me right now the its worthless to consume 15-20 g of glutamine. Just answer the question so there is no mistake.
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glutimaine stops ya body using ya muscle as enrgy when u are workin out plus if you do reserch u will find a lot of test have been done on it and mindstar becouse you dont use it please dont push on other not use it
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I just started using it but mainly for the use of helping my joints and stuff.But I havent been able to tell a difference yet I havent been taking it long enough.
I have seen arguments both ways though.Best study is to do it yourself.If you like it continue if not dont use it.
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Glutamine will keep insulin levels stable while working out so that your body will help to reduce the amount of cortisol released ( cortisol = muscle degradation )

I believe it will also help to keep your CP and ATP levels elevated while working out ( i need to double check this )...i'll have to skim through "Nutrient Timing" by John Ivy when I get home to let you know exactly what he said.
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I said enough people think the same way I do therfore I dont find a need to argue with you. Now did you want me to put that in different terms or mabey another language.

Let me get this straight from your mouth. Your telling me right now the its worthless to consume 15-20 g of glutamine. Just answer the question so there is no mistake.
Yes, it is worthless. Would you like to see the studies? And Layne agrees too...hmm a PhD candidate and numerous scientific studies against the words of a supplement salesman. Think I'll go with science. But I understand you have to make a living, so I won't **** on glutamine in front of you any more.

And holy hostility, all I did was accept your appology and point out the logical outcome of your line of reasoning. If enough people agree with me then I have no need to argue leads to the logical conclusion that you believe you are right because people agree with you. Now if you meant that you don't feel the need to argue because there is no one to convince because there is no one left to convince, then maybe you could say that instead.

No need for another language, I'd be happy if you could express exactly what you meant, and take responsibility for it's logical conclusions without sounding like a **** (which you've already appologised for once, so fair enough, at least we agree on one thing)

Now, I'm going to leave this thread, so if you have last words, I'd be happy to hear them via pm.
 
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Fellas fellas!!! Please. How many more debates on Glutamine? LOL

Even though there are subjects in stating that Glutamine doesn't work, It's always been a supplement I've always taken for years. It helps keep my immune system up through weight training (well that's what Dorian tells me, lol, through a friend who use to train in his gym). Glutamine is the most abundant single amino acid in muscle tissue, it comprimises about 61% of the amino acid pool in the skeletal muscle, containing 2 nitrogen side chains that consists of I think 19% nitrogen which makes it's primary role to transport a nitrogen balance back into the muscle cell. All I know is that after strenous lifting the Glutamine concentrations in our muscles fall & will remain low untill after full recovery, Glutamine will help restore the nitrogen balance back into our muscle cells. I'll continue to take it as I always have

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Yes, it is worthless. Would you like to see the studies? And Layne agrees too...hmm a PhD candidate and numerous scientific studies against the words of a supplement salesman. Think I'll go with science. But I understand you have to make a living, so I won't **** on glutamine in front of you any more.

And holy hostility, all I did was accept your appology and point out the logical outcome of your line of reasoning. If enough people agree with me then I have no need to argue leads to the logical conclusion that you believe you are right because people agree with you. Now if you meant that you don't feel the need to argue because there is no one to convince because there is no one left to convince, then maybe you could say that instead.

No need for another language, I'd be happy if you could express exactly what you meant, and take responsibility for it's logical conclusions without sounding like a **** (which you've already appologised for once, so fair enough, at least we agree on one thing)

Now, I'm going to leave this thread, so if you have last words, I'd be happy to hear them via pm.
Once again another stupid argument leading nowhere, like I warned you in the beginig. Just let me say one last thing against your stupid comment against the sales man bullshi*. I have been a member here for a long time and have helped out a lot of people. Ive said certain supplements suck and same goes for certain manufactures. I have pumped nutraplanet and have guided members here to the best places to buy supplements and PCT all this before I even became a sponsor. I never broke the rules or tried to gain any customers going behind webmasters back. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, this place is my home and these members are my family so with that said, I take offense because I would never mislead anyone to make a buck and I think the members here will back me up on that.
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also check your ingrediants in your shakes. lots of them have a dose of glutamine in them. some have a big dose so you may not even need to take extra.
 
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agreed, but I like to consume at least 15g a day. But your right.
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i was just in readin lables and wondering have you guys heard of fermented glutamine? i was just reading the shake formulas and asking about glutamine becuase i havent taken it before and noticed this product next to them. its made by my favorite shake company pvl. this is wha they say about this fermented type. I mean everyone has there reason why theres is the best or course but after hearing about how tofu is bad for you but is ok fermented, when i saw the fermented glutamine it caught my eye.


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But what kind of Glutamine should you get? Are they all the same? Or are some better than others?

There are a few sources for L-Glutamine powder. The powder you want to get should be a nice, clean, white colour – not yellow, not slightly brown – just pure white. Some cheaper glutamine sources are wheat, which can deliver up to 30% glutamine, but wheat is hard to digest and it is ONLY 30% glutamine after all – are far cry from being 100% pure. So definitely avoid the brown glutamine powders.

Why Fermented L-Glutamine is Best

Now, within the white glutamine powders, there are differences. Most of the cheaper L-Glutamine on the shelves comes from shellfish – not the cleanest source for L-Glutamine, as there will be measurable amounts of harmful, cancer-causing heavy metals such as lead, arsenic or mercury. But no glutamine powder lists on their label that it comes from fish!

The best L-Glutamine in the world comes from a fermentation process of….beets! That’s right – beets. Beets are fermented with probiotic cultures and the yield of that interaction is a 100% vegan sourced, fermented L-Glutamine. This is the Cadillac of L-Glutamines and it just cannot be beat for quality, purity and results.In fact Fermented L-Glutamine is so pure, that it comes from the ONLY glutamine manufacturer in the world with a master drug file number for L-Glutamine (that means this powder is so pure, it’s the only one acceptable by use in hospitals).
 
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If you say so. Though, in my opinion, on the topic of glutamine, you are misleading members whether intentionally or not. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Like you, I've been a member here a long time and helped plenty of people, which is what I was trying to do in the thread. When asked to back up your claim, you refused. How is that helpful? It's intellectual cowardice in my opinion.

At that point you became confrontational, essentially shouting in order to distract from the fact that you had nothing meaningful to say. My argument didn't lead nowhere, I implied that you did not know what you were talking about in relation to Layne and the other scientists who have studied glutamine. That is a pretty solid direction for an argument, and one which you can't refute. I'm sure you are of the highest moral character, and only reccomend glutamine because you believe it helps.

How and what did you warn me of? Warnings usually come with consequences, don't they? I wouldn't call people stupid, living in a glass house and all.

I can admit that I've never seen you acting poorly before, and I'm sure your sponsorship of the forum helps it run, so for that I appreciate your contribution.
 
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Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.

Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.

College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.

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J Strength Cond Res 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60
The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance

Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C.

Sports Science Laboratory, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware 19716, USA.

The purpose of this study was to determine if high-dose glutamine ingestion affected weightlifting performance. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study, 6 resistance-trained men (mean +/- SE: age, 21.5 +/- 0.3 years; weight, 76.5 +/- 2.8 kg(-1)) performed weightlifting exercises after the ingestion of glutamine or glycine (0.3 g x kg(-1)) mixed with calorie-free fruit juice or placebo (calorie-free fruit juice only). Each subject underwent each of the 3 treatments in a randomized order. One hour after ingestion, subjects performed 4 total sets of exercise to momentary muscular failure (2 sets of leg presses at 200% of body weight, 2 sets of bench presses at 100% of body weight). There were no differences in the average number of maximal repetitions performed in the leg press or bench press exercises among the 3 groups. These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.

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The effect of free glutamine and peptide ingestion on the rate of muscle glycogen resynthesis in man.

van Hall G, Saris WH, van de Schoor PA, Wagenmakers AJ.

Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands. RH01769@RH.DK

The present study investigated previous claims that ingestion of glutamine and of protein-carbohydrate mixtures may increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis following intense exercise. Eight trained subjects were studied during 3 h of recovery while consuming one of four drinks in random order. Drinks were ingested in three 500 ml boluses, immediately after exercise and then after 1 and 2 h of recovery. Each bolus of the control drink contained 0.8 g x kg(-1) body weight of glucose. The other drinks contained the same amount of glucose and 0.3 g x kg(-1) body weight of 1) glutamine, 2) a wheat hydrolysate (26% glutamine) and 3) a whey hydrolysate (6.6% glutamine). Plasma glutamine, decreased by approximately 20% during recovery with ingestion of the control drink, no changes with ingestion of the protein hydrolysates drinks, and a 2-fold increase with ingestion of the free glutamine drinks. The rate of glycogen resynthesis was not significantly different in the four tests: 28 +/- 5, 26 +/- 6, 33 +/- 4, and 34 +/- 3 mmol glucosyl units x kg(-1) dry weight muscle x h(-1) for the control, glutamine, wheat- and whey hydrolysate ingestion, respectively. It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat (21 +/- 8%) and whey protein hydrolysate (20 +/- 6%) compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks, implying that further research is needed on the potential protein effect.

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Intravenous glutamine does not stimulate mixed muscle protein synthesis in healthy young men and women.

Zachwieja JJ, Witt TL, Yarasheski KE.

Exercise and Nutrition Program, Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, LA, USA.

We investigated the effects of a glutamine-supplemented amino acid mixture on vastus lateralis muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women. Three men and 3 women (27.8 +/- 2.0 yr, 22.2 +/- 1.0 body mass index [BMI], 56.1 +/- 4.5 kg lean body mass [LBM]) received a 14-hour primed, constant intravenous infusion of L[1-13C]leucine to evaluate the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis. In addition to tracer administration, a clinically relevant amino acid mixture supplemented with either glutamine or glycine in amounts isonitrogenous to glutamine, was infused. Amino acid mixtures were infused on separate occasions in random order at a rate of 0.04 g/kg/h (glutamine at approximately 0.01 g/kg/h) with at least 2 weeks between treatment. For 2 days before and on the day of an infusion, dietary intake was controlled so that each subject received 1.5 g protein/kg/d. Compared with our previous report in the postabsorptive state, amino acid infusion increased the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis by 48% (P < .05); however, the addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture did not further elevate muscle protein synthesis rate (ie, 0.071% +/- 0.008%/h for amino acids + glutamine v 0.060% +/- 0.008%/h for amino acids + glycine; P = .316). Plasma glutamine concentrations were higher (P < .05) during the glutamine-supplemented infusion, but free intramuscular glutamine levels were not increased (P = .363). Both plasma and free intramuscular glycine levels were increased when extra glycine was included in the infused amino acid mixture (both P < .0001). We conclude that intravenous infusion of amino acids increases the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis, but addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture does not further stimulate muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women.

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Exercise-induced immunodepression- plasma glutamine is not the link.

His**** N, Pedersen BK.

Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre and Department of Infectious Diseases, Rigshospitalet, University of Copenhagen, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark.

The amino acid glutamine is known to be important for the function of some immune cells in vitro. It has been proposed that the decrease in plasma glutamine concentration in relation to catabolic conditions, including prolonged, exhaustive exercise, results in a lack of glutamine for these cells and may be responsible for the transient immunodepression commonly observed after acute, exhaustive exercise. It has been unclear, however, whether the magnitude of the observed decrease in plasma glutamine concentration would be great enough to compromise the function of immune cells. In fact, intracellular glutamine concentration may not be compromised when plasma levels are decreased postexercise. In addition, a number of recent intervention studies with glutamine feeding demonstrate that, although the plasma concentration of glutamine is kept constant during and after acute, strenuous exercise, glutamine supplementation does not abolish the postexercise decrease in in vitro cellular immunity, including low lymphocyte number, impaired lymphocyte proliferation, impaired natural killer and lymphokine-activated killer cell activity, as well as low production rate and concentration of salivary IgA. It is concluded that, although the glutamine hypothesis may explain immunodepression related to other stressful conditions such as trauma and burn, plasma glutamine concentration is not likely to play a mechanistic role in exercise-induced immunodepression

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Effect of glutamine and protein supplementation on exercise-induced decreases in salivary IgA.

Krzywkowski K, Petersen EW, Ostrowski K, Link-Amster H, Boza J, Halkjaer-Kristensen J, Pedersen BK.

The Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre, Rigshospitalet, 2200 Copenhagen, Denmark.

Postexercise immune impairment has been linked to exercise-induced decrease in plasma glutamine concentration. This study examined the possibility of abolishing the exercise-induced decrease in salivary IgA through glutamine supplementation during and after intense exercise. Eleven athletes performed cycle ergometer exercise for 2 h at 75% of maximal oxygen uptake on 3 separate days. Glutamine (a total of 17.5 g), protein (a total of 68.5 g/6.2 g protein-bound glutamine), and placebo supplements were given during and up to 2 h after exercise. Unstimulated, timed saliva samples were obtained before exercise and 20 min, 140 min, 4 h, and 22 h postexercise. The exercise protocol induced a decrease in salivary IgA (IgA concentration, IgA output, and IgA relative to total protein). The plasma concentration of glutamine was decreased by 15% 2 h postexercise in the placebo group, whereas this decline was abolished by both glutamine and protein supplements.None of the supplements, however, was able to abolish the decline in salivary IgA. This study does not support that postexercise decrease in salivary IgA is related to plasma glutamine concentrations.

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Effect of carb intake on plasma glutamine

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Effect of low- and high-carbohydrate diets on the plasma glutamine and circulating leukocyte responses to exercise.

Gleeson M, Blannin AK, Walsh NP, Bishop NC, Clark AM.

School of Sport and Exercise Sciences, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, England.

We examined the effects of a low-carbohydrate (CHO) diet on the plasma glutamine and circulating leukocyte responses to prolonged strenuous exercise. Twelve untrained male subjects cycled for 60 min at 70% of maximal oxygen uptake on two separate occasions, 3 days apart. All subjects performed the first exercise task after a normal diet; they completed the second exercise task after 3 days on either a high-CHO diet (75 +/- 8% CHO, n = 6) or a low-CHO diet (7 +/- 4% CHO, n = 6). The low-CHO diet was associated with a larger rise in plasma cortisol during exercise, a greater fall in the plasma glutamine concentration during recovery, and a larger neutrophilia during the postexercise period. Exercise on the high-CHO diet did not affect levels of plasma glutamine and circulating leukocytes. We conclude that CHO availability can influence the plasma glutamine and circulating leukocyte responses during recovery from intense prolonged exercise.

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Carbohydrate supplementation during intense exercise and the immune response of cyclists.

Bacurau RF, Bassit RA, Sawada L, Navarro F, Martins E Jr, Costa Rosa LF.

Department of Physiology and Biophysics, Institute of Biomedical Sciences, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of carbohydrate supplementation upon some aspects of the immune function in athletes during intense indoor cycling. METHODS: Twelve male athletes cycled for 20 min at a velocity corresponding to 90% of that obtained at the anaerobic threshold and rested for 20 min. This protocol was repeated six times. The athletes received, during the trial, water ad libitum, or a solution of carbohydrate (95% glucose polymers and 5% fructose) at 10% (w/v), 1 g kg h every 20 min, starting at the 10th minute of the first exercise period, plus extra water ad libitum. RESULTS: Exercise induced a reduction in peripheral blood mononuclear cell proliferation (37%) as well as in the production of cytokines by cultured cells (interleukin-1 (IL-1), interleukin-2 (IL-2), tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and interferon-gamma (IFN-gamma), by 37%, 35%, 26% and 16%, respectively). All of these changes were prevented by the ingestion of a carbohydrate drink by the athletes, except that in IFN-gamma production, which was equally decreased (17%) after the second trial. The concentration of plasma glutamine, an important fuel for immune cells, was decreased in the placebo group but maintained in the group that received carbohydrate. CONCLUSION: Carbohydrate supplementation affects positively the immune response of cyclists by avoiding or minimizing changes in plasma glutamine concentration

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.... A high protein diet provides a big whack of glutamine as it is. In fact, if you follow standard bodybuilding protein recommendations, about 10% of your total dietary protein intake is composed of glutamine (milk proteins are composed of somewhere between 3 — 10% glutamine while meat is composed of about 15% glutamine). This means that a high protein diet (400g/day) already provides me with about 40g of glutamine.

• While the theorists still cling to the idea that since glutamine helps clinical stress, it might help with exercise stress, it‚s important to note that exercise stress has got nothin‚ on surgery, cancer, sepsis, burns, etc. For example, when compared with downhill running or weight lifting, urinary nitrogen loss is 15x (1400%) greater in minor surgery, 25x (2400%) greater in major surgery, and 33x (3200%) greater in sepsis. When it comes to the immune response, it‚s about 9x (800%) greater with surgery. When it comes to metabolic increase, it‚s 7x (600%) greater with burn injury, and when it comes to creatine kinase release; it‚s about 2x (100%) greater with surgery. As I said, exercise has got nothin‚ on real, clinical stress. It‚s like trying to compare the damage inflicted by a peashooter and that inflicted by a rocket launcher.

• The major studies examining glutamine supplementation in otherwise healthy weightlifters have shown no effect. In the study by Candow et al (2001), 0.9g of supplemental glutamine/kg/day had no impact on muscle performance, body composition, and protein degradation. Folks, that's 90g per day for some lifters.

• The majority of the studies using glutamine supplementation in endurance athletes have shown little to no measurable benefit on performance or immune function.

• And with respect to glycogen replenishment in endurance athletes, it's interesting to note that the first study that looked at glycogen resynthesis using glutamine missed a couple of things. Basically, the study showed that after a few glycogen depleting hours of cycling at a high percentage of VO2 max interspersed with very intense cycle sprints that were supramaximal, a drink containing 8g of glutamine replenished glycogen to the same extent as a drink containing 61g of carbohydrate.

The problem was that during the recovery period, a constant IV infusion of labeled glucose was given (i.e., a little bit of glucose was given to both groups by IV infusion). While this isn't too big of a deal on its own since the infusion only provided a couple of grams of glucose, the other problem is that during glycogen depleting exercise, a lot of alanine, lactate, and other gluconeogenic precursors are released from the muscle.

What this means is that there's a good amount of glucose that will be formed after such exercise, glucose that will be made in the liver from the gluconeogenic precursors and that will travel to the muscle to replenish glycogen. Therefore, without a placebo group that receives no calories, carbohydrates, or glutamine, we have no idea of knowing whether or not the placebo would have generated the same amount of glycogen replenishment as the glutamine group or the glutamine plus carbohydrate group. To say it another way, perhaps there's a normal glycogen replenishment curve that was unaffected by any of the treatments.

• And finally, with respect to the claims that glutamine might increase cell swelling/volume (something I once believed was a reality), we decided to test this theory out in our lab using multifrequency bioelectric impedance analysis as well as magnetic resonance spectroscopy. The pilot data that's kicking around has demonstrated that glutamine supplementation has no effect on total body water, intracellular fluid volumes, or extracellular fluid volumes (as measured by mBIA) and has no effect on muscle volume (as measured by nMRS)...


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Exercise-induced immunodepression- plasma glutamine is not the link.

His**** N, Pedersen BK.

Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre and Department of Infectious Diseases, Rigshospitalet, University of Copenhagen, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark.

The amino acid glutamine is known to be important for the function of some immune cells in vitro. It has been proposed that the decrease in plasma glutamine concentration in relation to catabolic conditions, including prolonged, exhaustive exercise, results in a lack of glutamine for these cells and may be responsible for the transient immunodepression commonly observed after acute, exhaustive exercise. It has been unclear, however, whether the magnitude of the observed decrease in plasma glutamine concentration would be great enough to compromise the function of immune cells. In fact, intracellular glutamine concentration may not be compromised when plasma levels are decreased postexercise. In addition, a number of recent intervention studies with glutamine feeding demonstrate that, although the plasma concentration of glutamine is kept constant during and after acute, strenuous exercise, glutamine supplementation does not abolish the postexercise decrease in in vitro cellular immunity, including low lymphocyte number, impaired lymphocyte proliferation, impaired natural killer and lymphokine-activated killer cell activity, as well as low production rate and concentration of salivary IgA. It is concluded that, although the glutamine hypothesis may explain immunodepression related to other stressful conditions such as trauma and burn, plasma glutamine concentration is not likely to play a mechanistic role in exercise-induced immunodepression.

Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 2001 Oct;281(4):C1259-65 Related Articles, Links


Effect of glutamine supplementation on exercise-induced changes in lymphocyte function.

Krzywkowski K, Petersen EW, Ostrowski K, Kristensen JH, Boza J, Pedersen BK.

Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre and Department of Infectious Diseases, Rigshospitalet, 2200 Copenhagen N, Denmark.

The purpose of this study was to investigate the possible role of glutamine in exercise-induced impairment of lymphocyte function. Ten male athletes participated in a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind crossover study. Each athlete performed bicycle exercise for 2 h at 75% of maximum O(2) consumption on 2 separate days. Glutamine or placebo supplements were given orally during and up to 2 h postexercise. The trial induced postexercise neutrocytosis that lasted at least 2 h. The total lymphocyte count increased by the end of exercise due to increase of both CD3(+)TCR alpha beta(+) and CD3(+)TCR gamma delta(+) T cells as well as CD3(-)CD16(+)CD56(+) natural killer (NK) cells. Concentrations of CD8(+) and CD4(+) T cells lacking CD28 and CD95 on their surface increased more than those of cells expressing these receptors. Within the CD4(+) cells, only CD45RA(-) memory cells, but not CD45RA(+) naive cells, increased in response to exercise. Most lymphocyte subpopulations decreased 2 h after exercise. Glutamine supplementation abolished the postexercise decline in plasma glutamine concentration but had no effect on lymphocyte trafficking, NK and lymphokine-activated killer cell activities, T cell proliferation, catecholamines, growth hormone, insulin, or glucose. Neutrocytosis was less pronounced in the glutamine-supplemented group, but it is unlikely that this finding is of any clinical significance. This study does not support the idea that glutamine plays a mechanistic role in exercise-induced immune changes.

Clin Nutr 2002 Oct;21(5):423-9 Related Articles, Links


Carbohydrate supplementation during intense exercise and the immune response of cyclists.

Bacurau RF, Bassit RA, Sawada L, Navarro F, Martins E Jr, Costa Rosa LF.

Department of Physiology and Biophysics, Institute of Biomedical Sciences, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of carbohydrate supplementation upon some aspects of the immune function in athletes during intense indoor cycling. METHODS: Twelve male athletes cycled for 20 min at a velocity corresponding to 90% of that obtained at the anaerobic threshold and rested for 20 min. This protocol was repeated six times. The athletes received, during the trial, water ad libitum, or a solution of carbohydrate (95% glucose polymers and 5% fructose) at 10% (w/v), 1 g kg h every 20 min, starting at the 10th minute of the first exercise period, plus extra water ad libitum. RESULTS: Exercise induced a reduction in peripheral blood mononuclear cell proliferation (37%) as well as in the production of cytokines by cultured cells (interleukin-1 (IL-1), interleukin-2 (IL-2), tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and interferon-gamma (IFN-gamma), by 37%, 35%, 26% and 16%, respectively). All of these changes were prevented by the ingestion of a carbohydrate drink by the athletes, except that in IFN-gamma production, which was equally decreased (17%) after the second trial. The concentration of plasma glutamine, an important fuel for immune cells, was decreased in the placebo group but maintained in the group that received carbohydrate. CONCLUSION: Carbohydrate supplementation affects positively the immune response of cyclists by avoiding or minimizing changes in plasma glutamine concentration
 
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. . . . . yeah anyway I think glutamine is a good supplement to take when your cutting down for sure. It's helped me keep most all my muscle while cutting down. If your on gear prolly wouldn't have to worry about maintaining muscle. It might have already been mentioned but it also will cut down on some of the soreness, or it does for me anyway.
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^^^ Agreed. It helps out a lot in recovery for me as well. Thats why I take a serving before bed.
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