Need help with supp

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 03:18 AM

Right now i take American MRP Protein, cellucor m6(pre workout) , Cellucor P6 Extreme Black (pro hormone)mulitvitamin and a combination of flax,borage and fish oil. Does this sound like a pretty good stack? If not let me know what i should change.

Ive only been through 1 cycle of prohormones I used p6 extreme black and p6 red afterwards.

**Thomas_Rivera** · 03-05-2008, 03:33 AM

Wheres the BCAAS and creatine?

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 04:50 AM

The creatine is in the preworkout mix

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 04:52 AM

I got this off of the cellucor website

M6 (Preworkout)

Kre-Alkalyn® (buffered creatine monohydrate)
Create new muscle cells
Elevate the level of water inside existint
muscle tissue.

Glycocyamine

Betarol™ (betaine anhydrous)

Guanipro™ (guanidino proprionic acid)

Argenol™ (arginine ethyl ester)
Support the creation of
new muscle cells
Enhance muscle tissue water levels by
improving the transport and uptake of fluids.

Silica Hydride

Bisovan™ (oxovanadium)

Glucorex™ (glucoronolactone)
Provide additional energy
Promote a short-term energy release.

Caffenex™ (caffeine anhydrous)

Taurinol™ (taurine ethyl ester)
Supports the creation of
new muscle cells
Enhances muscle tissue water levels by improving the transport and uptake of fluids.

Niatex™ (niacin-GABA)
Support mental focus
Enhance mental focus and concentration levels.

Vinerol™ (sadabahar extract)

**JakeVendetta** · 03-05-2008, 05:24 AM

If that's a true PH then i would say your PCT sucks... i also would say drop all that **** and stick with the basics:
Creatine Mono
Protein Powders
BCAA's
Beta Alanine
Carb Source
Keep it simple and focus mainly on your diet, imagine all the great food you could eat if you cut back on propriatery blend bull****. If your going to do a Prohormone do one from a reputable company and also a reputable PH itself. Do more research on PCT as well. I'm not sure what your PCT consisted of but i'm going to assume that what you posted was an anti E... Now i will explain in simple terms why anti-estrogens dont work for PCT.
When your on cycle your natural test is low, because you have an outside source supplying it *basically*... this outside source is boosting it beyond its normal means, and unfortunetly *and fortunetly at the same time* your body trys to compensate for it by increasing estrogen to create a balance.
Now when you STOP giving your body that outside source of test, your bodys natural test is still shut down, but your estrogen is elevated.... now if you notice how when the test was increased so did the estrogen... what do you think will happen now that the estrogen is increased at a high ratio to test? If you guessed that your natural test will try and compensate and raise itself back up then you guessed right. Now what happens when you suppress the estrogen as well.... well you should be able to figure that out.

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 05:39 AM

This is P6 red the PCT

INGREDIENT
GENERAL ACTION
GENERAL DESCRIPTION

Probesterol™ (tribulus extract)
Create new muscle cells
Increase the body’s production of natural testosterone.

Euracor™ (simaroubaceae extract)

Aerobex™
(agaricus bisporus extract)
Supports natural
testosterone levels
Prevents natural testosterone from converting into estrogen.

6,7-Di-Hydroxy Bergamottin
Supports the creation of
new muscle cells
Enhances the rate of natural testosterone production.

Salonex™ (stinging nettle extract)
Supports natural
testosterone levels
Prevents natural testosterone from becoming bound or inactive.

Ovex™ (ovine placenta powder)
Create new muscle cells
Increase the body’s production of natural testosterone.

Forselex™ (makandi extract)
Supports the creation of
new muscle cells
Enhances the rate of natural testosterone production.

Belopex™ (bee pollen extract)
Supports natural
testosterone levels
Prevents natural testosterone from converting into DHT.

Ketovar™ (embryonic peptides)
Create new muscle cells
Increases the body’s production of natural testosterone.

**JakeVendetta** · 03-05-2008, 05:50 AM

sorry to say but its garbage for PCT, you need a SERM like Nolvadex(tomaxofine) or Clomid. Read http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...uide-post.html a few times and then apply. Remember Google is mans best friend...

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 05:52 AM

Ok thanks for the info

**JakeVendetta** · 03-05-2008, 05:54 AM

no problem... just looking out for you... hope you didnt take offense to anything i said.

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 06:12 AM

Naw man, just got done reading the article about SERM. Very good information!

Justin1285 · 03-05-2008, 06:12 AM

Do you have a certain pro hormone that you would recommend? or anyone else

**JakeVendetta** · 03-05-2008, 06:17 AM

To start off i would do something like Epistane (IBE) or Hdrol (competitive edge labs).

mindgame · 03-05-2008, 01:31 PM

epistane is discontinued. I guess they had a small amount trace of Tren in it. I say Havoc is a good start.

**JakeVendetta** · 03-05-2008, 02:49 PM

lol... oh. Yeah havoc same thing.... basically.

**mm1snapper** · 03-06-2008, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindgame

epistane is discontinued. I guess they had a small amount trace of Tren in it. I say Havoc is a good start.

Epistane is no longer discontinued... There was no tren also. Its how they tested it. Havoc is also a good product.

Justin1285 · 03-08-2008, 09:36 PM

Ok well i just bought superpump250 and Kre-Alkalyn 1500 to take the place of the m6. I found out that my protein had BCAA in the protein mix so im good on that part 2. Does this sound like a better stack?

**JakeVendetta** · 03-09-2008, 12:28 AM

It sounds better... to an extent... Heres what i would do rather then spend money on propriety blends and overhyped products... building off of what i posted earlier:
Post workout and on Non-workout days:
Creatine Mono 5g's *the benefits start to drastically decrease after 5g's this is just a cost effecient dose... you may load it as you normally would though*
WMS 40-50gs
BCAA's 20-30 g's *if you can afford it, if not 20-25g's of whey would work*

Through out the day:
Beta Alanine 2g's 3xED *give this a few months run before discrediting it*
BCAA's *at times of fasting or long periods of activity*

MRP *if needed whole food preferably*:
3/4 cup ground oats
20 g's Egg Protein or Gemma Protein

Simple and affective buy everything in bulk you'd be amazed at how much money you will end up saving. These are supplements... just make sure that, thats all they are doing... suplementing... dont use them as a cruch.

*these are my opinions... so... critics blast me all you want*