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Old 03-04-2008, 01:11 AM   #1
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which is the way to go?
i'm going on my first GNC run in like over 8 months tomorrow need to know soon
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:28 PM   #2
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Not sure, not a lot of reviews on Plasma Jet yet. Dont go to GNC bro. They have it for more than 60 dollars. You dont have to buy from me but for example I sell it for 39.99. Theres some other companies that have it priced well also. Hope this helps
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I know people who have taken plasmajet and abosolutely LOVE IT!!!! Best NO product they've taken they say, and the whole thing with it is that it doesn't burn out your receptors so you don't have to up the dosage in the future, very nice if you think about it. I would go with plasmajet, and you only have to take it every other to every 3rd day.
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yeah wow i just walked into GNC saw a 79.99 dollar price on plasmajet and walked out almost before the dude could say hello to me
rediculous i'm prolly making my order off orbit tonight
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:59 PM   #5
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Dammmm. I didnt know it was that expensive. Ill make sure to put one aside for you bro. Just shoot me a PM when you order so I know who to look out for. :)
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do i have to make a membership to orbit before i order?
i'm planning on it anyway
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Old 03-04-2008, 08:05 PM   #7
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Even though its been covered, just giving my opinion. PlasmaJet is supposed to be amazing. As time kicks in, it most probably is going to be one of the top products. I'm even considering using it, and I never use N.Os. Also, Superpump aka "Superdump" tastes like crap and you generally have to up the dosage. as PlasmaJet you don't. Find a nice source like orbit nutrition, and the price for either product will be affordable.
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do i have to make a membership to orbit before i order?
i'm planning on it anyway
Yes when you order you will automaticly create an account which is cool, because it allows you to check up on the status of your order, plus future shopping will be easier, because all of your info will be stored. Good question bro.
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Even though its been covered, just giving my opinion. PlasmaJet is supposed to be amazing. As time kicks in, it most probably is going to be one of the top products. I'm even considering using it, and I never use N.Os. Also, Superpump aka "Superdump" tastes like crap and you generally have to up the dosage. as PlasmaJet you don't. Find a nice source like orbit nutrition, and the price for either product will be affordable.
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yeah i got an account it's all set up so the order will in out soon tonight
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you got it bro, Ill hook you up with a couple of samples also.
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thanks man i appreciate it
you want me to PM you my account?
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Thanks brotha.
Yo man, I can't order from ya. Not allowed to supplement, nor buy online :( Definitely would support you if I could.
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your rents against supps?
mine used to be you just gotta show tem research and explain what it is
or at least that's all i had to do
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your rents against supps?
mine used to be you just gotta show tem research and explain what it is
or at least that's all i had to do
I'm not into supplements to begin with, I'm aloud to take nutrition support supplements; Protein, BCAA's, etc..
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isn't that the reason everyone uses supps? Nutrition Support
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Yeah, not what I meant. We say that to emphasize the importance of diet instead of popping 10 pills.

I meant, supplements that effect/help nutrition. Nitric Oxide will not add to your Protein intake..
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ahhh good points
well i understand the importance of diet and food but N.O. is the **** :)
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I'm not into supplements to begin with, I'm aloud to take nutrition support supplements; Protein, BCAA's, etc..
I agree with you there KM, I've always seen supplements beyond the standard stack as luxuries, ones that I can't afford at that. I also read somewhere that Arginine supplementation was actually shown to inhibit muscle growth. Not sure what Plasmajet's ingredients are, but I've tried to steer clear of NO supps after learning that. If I come across an extra $40 I might give PlasmaJet a try, after THG gives us his review once he takes it of course
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I just started taking Plasma jet - 10 capsules every other day they recommend - however, after the 1st 10, I dont think I could handle doing it again. I am 5'11" and 210lbs - and every muscle in my body pumped up even though I was only working bis/tris. My body temp went way up - a great rush, but I cut back to 5 before a workout and will take afew less on off days - just my feedback - but I think it is way better than NITRIX from bsn since it does not have as much in the way of stimulants - just pure PUMP!!
It has got to be great for growing. - and yes it is expensive - I paid $57.00 for what they said was a 30 day supply - though I think it will go further - good stuff.
 
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I agree with you there KM, I've always seen supplements beyond the standard stack as luxuries, ones that I can't afford at that. I also read somewhere that Arginine supplementation was actually shown to inhibit muscle growth. Not sure what Plasmajet's ingredients are, but I've tried to steer clear of NO supps after learning that. If I come across an extra $40 I might give PlasmaJet a try, after THG gives us his review once he takes it of course
Yup I most probably won't ever buy a N.O. supplement ever again. Not because of what you said, which is really interesting, but because I don't feel the need to pay for the 'pump' and energy using Caffeine and other ingredients. Just like to keep my diet going strong and I'll see more results than any N.O supplement can give. But everyone's different with what they live..
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thanks bro
yeha i paid 44 online with shipping thenks to orbits site :)
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NO is definatley an OPTIONAL supplement, as we all naturally have NO in our cells that cause the pump. And if you were some sets with some high reps and low rest times up front, you can get that pump. So there is clearly an argument on if using NO is worth it - I think that MRPs to get the calories you need, a multivitamin, some EFAs, and glutimine are a much higher priority for out supplment budget dollar.
 
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NO is definatley an OPTIONAL supplement, as we all naturally have NO in our cells that cause the pump. And if you were some sets with some high reps and low rest times up front, you can get that pump. So there is clearly an argument on if using NO is worth it - I think that MRPs to get the calories you need, a multivitamin, some EFAs, and glutimine are a much higher priority for out supplment budget dollar.
I'm not sure, but I don't think we contain Nitric Oxide in our body. The pump is simply when there is increased blood flow. The blood is taken from other bodily processes then oxygenated and sent to the muscle. We get the pump to correspond to the contractions when working out and make sure the muscle is worked out to its full potential. Not because our body contains Nitric Oxide, causing the pump.

Not trying to be snotty or anything, just saying. I may be wrong also..
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Power = Work / Time

Substitution dictates:
Knowledge = Work / Money

Solve for Money which = Success:
Money = Success = Work / Knowledge

Thus, success is determined by the amount of work you put in so long as you maintain a certain level of knowledge :)
 
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:06 PM   #27
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Yes - it is there naturally, so I will say right now that I am sorry for the since stuff - but it says we have it in our bodies - we also have creatine in our bodies - so the real question is - -- do we need more because we want larger muscles. (and money to spend).
Nitric oxide or NO is a signaling molecule that plays many roles in the body. It plays a role in oxygen delivery, blood flow, glucose uptake, power output, nutrient delivery, and muscle growth. Elevated levels of NO can improve muscle hypertrophy by increasing intramuscular blood flow for greater pumps, strength improvement, increased endurance, pain reduction, ATP production, and nutrient delivery. NO can also elevate gonadotroptin releasing hormone and adrenaline. Anecdotal reports also suggest that NO increases exercise induced vasodilation (pump due to physical activity) and cell volumization by routing water and nutrients preferentially to the muscle cell, while studies have shown that when NO synthesis is blocked, greatly reduced gains in muscle mass and muscle sarcomeres are observed.

So now the question is, how would one effectively and efficiently maximize nitric oxide levels in the body. Nitric oxide is created in the endothelium, which is located at the interface between the blood and the blood vessel wall. The endothelium has many functions. It plays a critical role in blood flow, coagulation, leukocyte adhesion, and vascular smooth muscle cell growth. Within the endothelium, the enzyme nitric oxide synthase converts the amino acid arginine to nitric oxide. Arginine is therefore an important substrate for the production of nitric oxide.

Arginine is a non-essential amino acid. In addition to being a substrate for the production of nitric oxide, arginine is also a substrate for the production of creatine, agmatine, glutamic acid, ornithine, proline, and polyamines. Two important metabolic pathways use the amino acid arginine: the nitric oxide synthase pathway and the arginase pathway. Arginine also appears to increase HGH levels by blocking the secretions of growth hormone inhibitor somatostatin. However, the problem with using arginine alone to increase NO is that arginine is a non-essential amino acid. Inside the gut arginine is hydrolyzed into peptide form and stripped down to it's carbon skeleton so it can be re-assembled into other non essential amino acids that may be needed at that time. Also, about 50% of ingested arginine is utilized by the small bowel, so not much arginine will make it to the endothelium to produce NO.

So how can we get the most arginine to the endothelium. Most NO supplements on the market mix L-arginine powder with alpha-ketoglutaric acid. Alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG) is a Krebs cycle intermediate. The Krebs cycle creates the fuel that runs every cell of your body. AKG is the fourth step in this 8-part cycle and therefore a vital part of the energy-creating mechanism for every cell. While AKG supplementation can certainly increase ATP production, it is not clearly understood how it increases nitric oxide production. One theory is that AKG inhibits the arginase pathway so more arginine is routed to the nitric oxide synthase pathway. However, even in the presence of AKG, arginine is still a non-essential amino acid and not much will make it past the gut to the endothelium. The arginine must be protected from the gut for maximum delivery to the endothelium.

Phospholipids are molecules that have a hydrophilic (water loving) head and a hydrophobic tail. When combined with the proper essential oils and emulsifiers, phospholipids will form a phospholipid bilayer or a micelle around various active ingredients. This phospholipid bilayer or micelle will then be able to protect that active ingredient from the ravages of the gut, enabling much more of the active ingredient to make it to the blood stream. So phospholipids would allow more arginine and AKG to make it to the endothelium, however there is still one problem.

NO production occurs with a single molecule of arginine. If the arginine has not been hydrolyzed down to peptide form, it cannot react with oxygen and NADPH to form NO. Amino acids are typically hydrolyzed in the gut, but since the phospholipids protect the arginine from the gut, the arginine must already be in peptide form. However, arginine peptides will rapidly produce NO, which only lasts for a few seconds, so NO levels will not remain elevated for an extended period of time. So we need a method for the arginine to slowly be released. Peptide bonding arginine to an AKG peptide will allow for that, so a peptide bonded or reacted arginine AKG protected by phospholipids will allow for sustained NO production while allowing for maximum delivery of arginine to the endothelium.

Since NO increases oxygen delivery, blood flow, glucose uptake, ATP production, gonadotroptin releasing hormone, adrenaline, nutrient delivery, exercise induced vasodilation, and cell volumization; working out with elevated NO levels will significantly improve nutrient and fluid delivery to the muscle for increased anabolism and recovery. And even without working out, increased NO levels will improve oxygen delivery and blood flow to the brain and "other areas" for improved mental and sexual function.
 
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it's optional yes
but i LOVE It the pumps like...... what i live for
i would never stop using it but some people don;t get the effect like i do so idk
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AVFullBack32 - Yes I am with you on that - I dont need it as much the last 3 months before a show - but for off season I use it and cycle from one to another - NITRIX worked well, but they seem to stop working after a few weeks, and some of them have creatine with them - NO-Explode, Armigeden, I like RED CELL since it does not have stimulants, but does have BCAAs. I think that it improves my recovery after, and flushes wastes from the muscles during - I get a better workout when going heavy off season, so I use it. personal choice
 
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Same here. I always preach that supplements like Nitric oxide are optional. Always maintaint a good diet and a good supplement base with the essentials in aiding to a near perfect nutrition regime. But I do have NO on hand for those days I need a extra push or on those muscle groups that where more blood flow can increase growth in those stubborn areas. I know that a good pump doesnt necesarily = a good workout but it sure as hell feels awsome once in a while. :)
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