[mh239133]

IMHO and from experience, the only things worth their weight in salt that you can find in the vitamin shoppe or GNC or wherever else online are protein, amino acid stacks, and creatine. Sure some of the natural test boost crap might "work" but are those gains large enuf to be worth the money you have to shell out for them? I would lean toward no.

Has anyone had amazing success in terms of mass and strength gains with any other products not falling into those categories?

If so, I would love to hear about it. My beliefs about this stuff were formed from my experience, which is limited to me obviously, so I am curious about other people's experiences.

[youngmusclejock]

Food, Food, Food, Waxy Maze, Protein, and whole grains

[robbyybt]

Pro-hormones IF you know what you are doing and are old enough, otherwise dont go there because youll do more damage than good.

[mm1snapper]

I LOVE ME SOME LEGAL STEROIDS.... Anyways just eat eat eat. And train your ass off. If your interested in prohormones and shit research alot before you decide a thing.

[KM]

Eat more food.

Pro-hormones aren't a joke. Research every bit of information on them before use.

[Teamorbit]

Good post here. Base everything on your nutrition and fill the holes with some proven supplements and you will find great gains. Pro hormones like said above are very effective but its almost a science. you have to really kow everything about them and how your body works.

[Tall HardGainer]

also a fan of PH's, but like mentioned, you can do more harm then good if you don't know what you are doing. Other than the ones you listed, just eat like a mad man and watch the weight and strength come.

Also, are you training for strength or bodybuilding? Because there are ways to train geared towards strength and other for size and not as much strength. IFBB Pro Johnny Jackson has a great setup known as power bodybuilding, and it deals with both, incorporating power movements into his training.