[GRAVESY079]

i have always tried the new products, but it is time to start budgeting my supplements, ( only thing looking to try that is new -plasmajet for gaspari and muscle rush from Ads - that is once they are available off the shelves of gnc).

what main stays should i stick with. thinking of sticking to ON's protein, multi and bcaa, and maybe every once n awhile a N.O. product. Anything else more essential than the others.??

[KM]

Originally Posted by GRAVESY079

i have always tried the new products, but it is time to start budgeting my supplements, ( only thing looking to try that is new -plasmajet for gaspari and muscle rush from Ads - that is once they are available off the shelves of gnc).

what main stays should i stick with. thinking of sticking to ON's protein, multi and bcaa, and maybe every once n awhile a N.O. product. Anything else more essential than the others.??

Protein product: ON 100% Whey
BCAA product: Xtend, ON BCAA's
Multi Vitamin product: Your choice.

An N.O. product isn't essential, neither is any of these supplements. It's personal preference which brand you want. I try to go for a more reputable brand- ON, BSN, Cytosport, etc.

What's your diet like?

[robbyybt]

Ditch the NO all-together and buy some creatine mono instead, its cheaper, last longer and is alot more beneficial for you. KM has covered everything else you need to know

[KM]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

Ditch the NO all-together and buy some creatine mono instead, its cheaper, last longer and is alot more beneficial for you. KM has covered everything else you need to know

Thanks, yeah forgot about Creatine. Good catch.

[GRAVESY079]

I have used creatine before and never really got anything from it, I think i am one of those that just do not get the benefit form it. i took it post work out at the time with a carb complex and powder gatorade mix(for flavor).


my diet is pretty scratchy, do to my job. i tend to stay away from the fast digesting carbs, since i have fat around the midsection that i need to lose.

breakfast is usually light, if at all, try to get oatmeal but usually 24grms of protein and maybe a fruit.

lunch usually chicken or steak paired with either broccolli or spinch

pre work out 24grm ON'swhey
post 60grms ON's Pro Complex

dinner is usually steak chicken or turkey with brown rice, sweet potato, or veggie mix

prior to bed mix of whey/egg 24 grms each.

Tuna fish here and there.

looking to get new job so i will have more freedom to prepare and stick to a solid diet.

[Tall HardGainer]

creatine is good and I am a fan of no products, especially because by giving your body a better pump you are allowing for faster shuttling of nutrients to the muscles you just worked out when you get your post workout shake in (due to protein synthesis). Since there is a larger pathway of blood circulating the nutrients get there faster and more effeciently/effectively. KM did cover everything else, add them together, you got a good cycle.

[robbyybt]

Originally Posted by GRAVESY079

I have used creatine before and never really got anything from it, I think i am one of those that just do not get the benefit form it. i took it post work out at the time with a carb complex and powder gatorade mix(for flavor).

What kind of creatine did you take and when?

I was the same at first, i had creatine mono and then cellmass and didnt feel anything. I then changed the timing and dose of the creatine mono and now have had some good results.

[GRAVESY079]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

What kind of creatine did you take and when?

I was the same at first, i had creatine mono and then cellmass and didnt feel anything. I then changed the timing and dose of the creatine mono and now have had some good results.

Last time i took it was prbly from jan07 to late spring/earlysummer07.. I was using AST's micronizd Creatine monohydrate mixing with protein factory carb mix and once i ran out of that it was hard to find i switched to MAxMuscle CarboMax, both with a scoop of gatorade pwder mix post workout.

maybe i should try a creatine that is already paired with a transport in the product instead of trying to create one myself?

[robbyybt]

You dont need to take creatine with anything. Just water or juice. Also try taking it at different times at different servings. I personally take 10g pre and none post. TallHardGainer takes 10g post with none pre. We just use what works best for us so youll need to experiment and find what works for you.

[GRAVESY079]

thanks guys,

i quess i will give creatine, another shot. Prbly start it up back again come the start of March, and play around with the dose and timing.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

You dont need to take creatine with anything. Just water or juice. Also try taking it at different times at different servings. I personally take 10g pre and none post. TallHardGainer takes 10g post with none pre. We just use what works best for us so youll need to experiment and find what works for you.

I disagree with the water part for creatine monohydrate. For the ethyl esters and the other formulas, maybe. But for creatine monohydrate, id suggest taking it with at least a juice. What i liked to do was mix creatine with my post workout shake. So, whey, dextrose, banana, and creatine. All mixed up and done. All of those should provide sufficient amounts of transportation, if not above and beyond.


For you, maybe some creatine, banana, and whey...

[robbyybt]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

I disagree with the water part for creatine monohydrate. For the ethyl esters and the other formulas, maybe. But for creatine monohydrate, id suggest taking it with at least a juice. What i liked to do was mix creatine with my post workout shake. So, whey, dextrose, banana, and creatine. All mixed up and done. All of those should provide sufficient amounts of transportation, if not above and beyond.


For you, maybe some creatine, banana, and whey...

Yea i wrote that before we had our discussion on carbs and creatine lol

Not had the time to read up on it properly yet but will try soon.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

Yea i wrote that before we had our discussion on carbs and creatine lol

Not had the time to read up on it properly yet but will try soon.

Slacker....

[GRAVESY079]

what about Omega-3s, I am not a fish eater, I stick to the land animals chicken Steak and turkey. Every once-n-while i through in a can a tuna, but not on a reg basis ?

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by GRAVESY079

what about Omega-3s, I am not a fish eater, I stick to the land animals chicken Steak and turkey. Every once-n-while i through in a can a tuna, but not on a reg basis ?

Id get some Fish Oil. You can get it at GNC for a price that isnt outrageous, along with Flax Seed. If you get flax seed, make sure you refrigerate the capsules because i hear they are notorious at going south if not kept cool. Thats where i keep mine.

Also, you should probably add some extra virgin olive oil to sandwhiches to get some great EFAs.

[Rodzilla]

if you are really sticking to just the basics, then stick to the basics

get a versatile protein that you can use post workout and in MRP's, I'm thinking Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide 1.0
Multi - any should do
Omega 3 Fish Oil -any should do
Creatine Monohydrate - prolab's mono, or primaforce's mono

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

if you are really sticking to just the basics, then stick to the basics

get a versatile protein that you can use post workout and in MRP's, I'm thinking Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide 1.0
Multi - any should do
Omega 3 Fish Oil -any should do
Creatine Monohydrate - prolab's mono, or primaforce's mono

I dunno why you mention sticking to the basics and then advise to get a versatile protein that isnt basic by any means.

I dont remember him talking about having a hard time with meals, just getting on a budget. Post workout nutrition is one of the BIGGEST factors of growth. So, id stay with a Whey protein. He can get casein and egg from various products, but the only supplement i take protein wise is a whey protein and i dont see the necessity of using a variety protein mix if you dont have a hard time eating your 6-8 meals.

[robbyybt]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

Slacker....

lol ive done the research now... and your right, 15-20g of simple carbs will help the best. Preferably dextrose.

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

I dunno why you mention sticking to the basics and then advise to get a versatile protein that isnt basic by any means.

I dont remember him talking about having a hard time with meals, just getting on a budget. Post workout nutrition is one of the BIGGEST factors of growth. So, id stay with a Whey protein. He can get casein and egg from various products, but the only supplement i take protein wise is a whey protein and i dont see the necessity of using a variety protein mix if you dont have a hard time eating your 6-8 meals.

1) yes it is versatile, I wold opt for a blend for a meal replacement rather than whey
2)some food for thought here, sure whey protein stimulates protein synthesis to a further degree, but casein is more anti-proteolytic now couple that with the fact that he wants the basics (I don't know how many powders he is going to want to buy)..a combination of the two may be better than whey alone.if you have a logical argument for whey (and there are good ones) over a mix than go ahead, I will listen, but lets not get into a pissing contest here
3) show me some scientific data that say 6-8 meals is superior to 4-5, I personally eat six but only because it fits so well into my schedule. There is no significant metabolic advantage that I have seen. Furthermore, there is some research going on ATM that is showing larger protein boluses spread further apart may be more beneficial than these frequent feeding..of course there is an upper limit.

oh yeah...

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

1) yes it is versatile, I wold opt for a blend for a meal replacement rather than whey
2)some food for thought here, sure whey protein stimulates protein synthesis to a further degree, but casein is more anti-proteolytic now couple that with the fact that he wants the basics (I don't know how many powders he is going to want to buy)..a combination of the two may be better than whey alone.if you have a logical argument for whey (and there are good ones) over a mix than go ahead, I will listen, but lets not get into a pissing contest here
3) show me some scientific data that say 6-8 meals is superior to 4-5, I personally eat six but only because it fits so well into my schedule. There is no significant metabolic advantage that I have seen. Furthermore, there is some research going on ATM that is showing larger protein boluses spread further apart may be more beneficial than these frequent feeding..of course there is an upper limit.

oh yeah...

You can drink milk or any milk product after your workout. So... besides, milk has natural sugars that arent harmful post workout. So i dont see the necessity for a casein powder except for at night, and even then i just use Cottage Cheese. Why buy a supplement when on a budget when whole foods that are practical can be used instead?

[<3Frosty]

I mentioned the 6-8 meals because that is what is standard today. Not because that is what i believe is necessarily needed. Also, different body types can require different meal spacing. Someone who is a hard gainer probably will benefit from eating more frequent meals. Someone who accumulates fat fast may want to eat every 3.5-4 hours. Someone who is perfect (ie Olympia body type) who doesnt gain fat easy but also gains muscle easily, would probably want to eat every 2.5-3 hours.

What is a "boluses"?


The point is, if he isnt having trouble getting in meals, which i never saw any mention of in my quick read through, why get a protein for a meal replacement? Whole foods can easily take the place of a casein supplement, and may actually be better for you as well because it isnt manufactured as much as a supplement is, while probably being lighter on the wallet to boot.

A protein mix is a great supplement mainly as a meal replacement to me. But if you dont need to replace any meals, i dont see the necessity on a budget.

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

You can drink milk or any milk product after your workout. So... besides, milk has natural sugars that arent harmful post workout. So i dont see the necessity for a casein powder except for at night, and even then i just use Cottage Cheese. Why buy a supplement when on a budget when whole foods that are practical can be used instead?

agree, but I still don't like the sugars that are in milk...good point regardless. I know he didn't mention it, I just thought it may save him some money..touche sir

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

I mentioned the 6-8 meals because that is what is standard today. Not because that is what i believe is necessarily needed. Also, different body types can require different meal spacing. Someone who is a hard gainer probably will benefit from eating more frequent meals. Someone who accumulates fat fast may want to eat every 3.5-4 hours. Someone who is perfect (ie Olympia body type) who doesnt gain fat easy but also gains muscle easily, would probably want to eat every 2.5-3 hours.

What is a "boluses"?


The point is, if he isnt having trouble getting in meals, which i never saw any mention of in my quick read through, why get a protein for a meal replacement? Whole foods can easily take the place of a casein supplement, and may actually be better for you as well because it isnt manufactured as much as a supplement is, while probably being lighter on the wallet to boot.

A protein mix is a great supplement mainly as a meal replacement to me. But if you dont need to replace any meals, i dont see the necessity on a budget.

bolus just represented a "bulk" or amount of protein. Again, very valid points, I underestimated you and I'm sorry.

[<3Frosty]

Its cool man. I didnt take it as an attack, so no harm. I dont mind explaining things as long as we can both stay civil. It also leads to a better explanation for outsiders or even gives new perspectives to each other.

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

Its cool man. I didnt take it as an attack, so no harm. I dont mind explaining things as long as we can both stay civil. It also leads to a better explanation for outsiders or even gives new perspectives to each other.

I would rep you if I could, I've got this same name on AM and BB, so if I see you there I will hit ya lol

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

I would rep you if I could, I've got this same name on AM and BB, so if I see you there I will hit ya lol

AM? BB.com i assume is the typical BodyBuilding.com... i tend to stay away from those forums...

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

AM? BB.com i assume is the typical BodyBuilding.com... i tend to stay away from those forums...

anabolicminds, the sister site of this forum.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

anabolicminds, the sister site of this forum.

Is this sister pretty?

[GRAVESY079]

i tend to stay away for dairy products. drank milk at night, but the next mornings my stomach would tend to be in a not so good way, same with some other dairy products so i cut them out, or i would drink milk, i loved a cold glass of milk.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by GRAVESY079

i tend to stay away for dairy products. drank milk at night, but the next mornings my stomach would tend to be in a not so good way, same with some other dairy products so i cut them out, or i would drink milk, i loved a cold glass of milk.

Does this happen at any other time during the day when drinking milk or dairy? Because if it does, you are probably lactose intolerant. They self lactose-free milk.

[GRAVESY079]

not all the time, but it has been awhile and i would rather not risk it Just in case i truely am. Never had this problem until about a year ago.

it has crossed my mind that i may be lactose intolerant or just sensative to certian thing by the way they are processed.
cheese is fine(burger. pizza, etc.), some ice cream is fine but then there are others that get to me or i can have a little and i am fine and if i over indugle it gets to me. even when i took casien protein at night the next morning it would feel heavey like it did not digest it right, (swtich to egg protein _not as slow i know but atleast it gets me further into the night than just whey)

i would say if anything i am lactose sensative.