Creatine Yes.No?

arcangel · 02-10-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

I buy 2 lots of Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey 5LBS Gold Standard and Buy Inner Armour Micronized Creatine Monohydrate from Â£10.39 the 1kg with 200g free one. I know thats more than £50 but the creatine will last for ages and the whey might last longer depending on how much you use. The ON whey has BCAAs and glutamine which is also in maximuscles cyclone, the only thing you arnt getting is the HMB but that hasnt even been shown to work so your not missing anything.

Hope this helps mate

Thats great, thanks man. I am going to check those out.

angelo212 · 02-17-2008, 02:45 PM

Creatine Mono should be taken with a fast absorbing carb like grape juice or orange juice. Should be about 35 mg woths. Cell Tech uses over 70 grams of sugar. Way to much IMO. I think the dose in the Phosogen by EAS is alot less. If you take creatine MOno with water it will not be absorbed enough.

robbyybt · 02-17-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by angelo212

Creatine Mono should be taken with a fast absorbing carb like grape juice or orange juice. Should be about 35 mg woths. Cell Tech uses over 70 grams of sugar. Way to much IMO. I think the dose in the Phosogen by EAS is alot less. If you take creatine MOno with water it will not be absorbed enough.

Could you please explain why it has to be taken with simple carbs angelo?

<3Frosty · 02-17-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

Could you please explain why it has to be taken with simple carbs angelo?

It can also be taken with a carb/protein mixture, like whey and some dextrose.

Also, EAS has many different lines under Phosphagen label, including plain, Elite (66 grams sugar), HP (33 grams sugar), and XT (39 grams of sugar).

robbyybt · 02-17-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by <3Frosty

It can also be taken with a carb/protein mixture, like whey and some dextrose.

Also, EAS has many different lines under Phosphagen label, including plain, Elite (66 grams sugar), HP (33 grams sugar), and XT (39 grams of sugar).

You havnt explained how carbs effect the digestion of creatine? I have never read anything that says it should be taken with simple carbs so i am interested its just that I cant understand it?

<3Frosty · 02-17-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

You havnt explained how carbs effect the digestion of creatine? I have never read anything that says it should be taken with simple carbs so i am interested its just that I cant understand it?

Simple carbs help shuttle nutrients in your body. Creatine has a very bad byproduct called creatinine. To help shuttle the creatine to where it needs to go fast, simple carbs are used.

Dont we have a creatine sticky that explains this better? Hold on...

<3Frosty · 02-17-2008, 04:12 PM

Here ya go, a little guide and some research as well:
Bodybuilding.com - Daniel Gastelu - Creatine Super Feature - Part 7: Creatine Use Guide.

robbyybt · 02-17-2008, 04:25 PM

not trying to be ignorant bro but this is what i found in the official creatine thread

Flatulence: The large amounts of sugars often consumed with creatine may lead to flatulence, complicate gastric emptying and lead to cramps (see Question #4). Certain sugars, particularly when consumed in large quantities, may pass undigested through the small intestine and ultimately collect (nearly intact) in the large intestine. Here, intestinal bacteria decompose the sugar, releasing gas. If sufficiently large amounts of gas are produced to exert pressure within the intestinal compartment, then cramps may ensue. Flatulence, obviously, is the expelling of the gas produced by the bacteria.

Fructose and sorbitol are especially notorious in this respect. Therefore, avoid mixing your creatine in juices containing mainly fructose.

Ive not read the article youve gave me yet though so ill have a look later at that

I think a NO product would be better than simple carbs imo but again ill read that article.

angelo212 · 02-17-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

Could you please explain why it has to be taken with simple carbs angelo?

I'm talking about Creatine Mono here. CEE does not have to be taking with any carbs. It shuffles the creatine to the muscle. It gets better absorbtion. You can go to any ledgit research site (pubmed) and most anything you read will tell you to take it with a fast absorbing carb. Many creatine formulerers have sugars in it.

robbyybt · 02-17-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by angelo212

I'm talking about Creatine Mono here. CEE does not have to be taking with any carbs. It shuffles the creatine to the muscle. It gets better absorbtion. You can go to any ledgit research site (pubmed) and most anything you read will tell you to take it with a fast absorbing carb. Many creatine formulerers have sugars in it.

Ah right this might be why ive never heard of it. I will look into it anyway cheers for putting it up angelo

<3Frosty · 02-17-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

not trying to be ignorant bro but this is what i found in the official creatine thread

Flatulence: The large amounts of sugars often consumed with creatine may lead to flatulence, complicate gastric emptying and lead to cramps (see Question #4). Certain sugars, particularly when consumed in large quantities, may pass undigested through the small intestine and ultimately collect (nearly intact) in the large intestine. Here, intestinal bacteria decompose the sugar, releasing gas. If sufficiently large amounts of gas are produced to exert pressure within the intestinal compartment, then cramps may ensue. Flatulence, obviously, is the expelling of the gas produced by the bacteria.

Fructose and sorbitol are especially notorious in this respect. Therefore, avoid mixing your creatine in juices containing mainly fructose.

Ive not read the article youve gave me yet though so ill have a look later at that

I think a NO product would be better than simple carbs imo but again ill read that article.

Well, not all juices or mixes contain fructose....

robbyybt · 02-17-2008, 07:13 PM

well it says certain sugars. Its just that fructose is the biggest. Im gonna read up on everything tomorrow and ill post my results then lol

<3Frosty · 02-17-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyybt

well it says certain sugars. Its just that fructose is the biggest. Im gonna read up on everything tomorrow and ill post my results then lol

Im glad your putting some thought into this...

arcangel · 02-18-2008, 09:18 PM

I think Maximuscle say they use dextrose to help absorb the creatine.

Dark-rane · 02-18-2008, 11:12 PM

Im taking creatine mono caps right now and have been for the past week and a half. and so far i have noticed and increase in my output while working out. havent noticed any size increase yet but im not really expecting that the first week. i also chose not to load and yes please drinks lots of water.