ph help

dpark816 · 02-06-2008, 08:01 PM

im taking spawn right now and i was wonder what would happen if i dont take any pct and just go another cycle of spawn?

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-06-2008, 09:33 PM

you will end up shutting down your natural test production and you could end up with bitch tits without a pct, not to mention you could (it depends on multiple factors) make yourself sterile. Honestly, do a stack for around 6 weeks and start your pct on week 4. Not to mention if you went right into another cycle of spawn, your body is going to start to adapt to the supplement and you won't be getting the gains you were when you first started.

On a side note, how are your gains with spawn?

**mm1snapper** · 02-06-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

you will end up shutting down your natural test production and you could end up with bitch tits without a pct, not to mention you could (it depends on multiple factors) make yourself sterile. Honestly, do a stack for around 6 weeks and start your pct on week 4. Not to mention if you went right into another cycle of spawn, your body is going to start to adapt to the supplement and you won't be getting the gains you were when you first started.

On a side note, how are your gains with spawn?

Well said man!

Does this person even now what a propper pct would look like?

**mindstar** · 02-07-2008, 02:50 AM

why would you star PCT before the cycle finished? If that's what I read, I disagree. Begin PCT the day after you finish.

dpark816 · 02-07-2008, 01:27 PM

my gain was 180 to 205 right now but also noticed im starting to break out like crazy how do i get rid of it? also today is my first day taking multi-vitamins and restore oh btw will i loose any of my gains?

**mm1snapper** · 02-07-2008, 03:08 PM

Well if your only using restore for pct plan on losing all of it. What alse are you using for pct... What are you taking for cycle support also.

dpark816 · 02-07-2008, 04:28 PM

nothing any suggestion?

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-07-2008, 08:43 PM

don't start pct the day after you finish, start it 1-2 weeks before you are done.

As far as pct goes check this out: Guide to Post Cycle Therapy

**mm1snapper** · 02-07-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

don't start pct the day after you finish, start it 1-2 weeks before you are done.

As far as pct goes check this out: Guide to Post Cycle Therapy

Agree'd

Man you should research more before you start popping pills... You can really harm yourself! But go to anabolic minds and read read read.

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-07-2008, 09:54 PM

^^Cosign

dpark816 · 02-08-2008, 02:57 PM

what if i alreaday started right after i finished. what would happen? its been my second day i been taking my restore

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-08-2008, 06:32 PM

stop immediately, start pct asap! get some serm of sorts like clomid or real nolvadex and start that, get it asap and stop your second round, you can really do some damage to yourself in regards to your natural homone levels and the side effects you could suffer.

mindgame · 02-08-2008, 07:21 PM

so he already started his second dose???

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-08-2008, 08:53 PM

yup, thats what he is saying

**mm1snapper** · 02-08-2008, 11:34 PM

I honestly dont even now what to say... By the time a serm gets there it will be a week or two past.

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-10-2008, 12:36 AM

hope his body can keep itself together until it comes, if it even is....

mindgame · 02-10-2008, 01:48 AM

lets pray he gets his stuff quick. ya know

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-10-2008, 09:45 PM

truely, otherwise bad news bears unfortunately

**under construction** · 02-10-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

stop immediately, start pct asap! get some serm of sorts like clomid or real nolvadex and start that, get it asap and stop your second round, you can really do some damage to yourself in regards to your natural homone levels and the side effects you could suffer.

THG and mindstar are right in part if the serm you choose is nolvadex it is acceptable to run during cycle assuming spawn is a true PH people who are prone to gyno often run this the entire cycle but I would wait until you find the onset of gyno ( your nip start to get very sensitive and hurt). As far as I know of the serms it is the best for combating this if this still does not subside you may need to switch to an AI. As far as clomid is concerned this is run post cycle only this does not combat gyno so much as it restores htpa function in short drops your nut and tells them to get back to work so while you are supplying an anabolic prohormone there is no need for this but post cycle there is a great need for it to preserve gains while your nuts get back to biz. If you get clomid and read the posted article IMO the dosages recomended are excessive and thats probably the reason for the warning of the blurred vision. I would suggest doing a pct thread search in the steroid section for real life dosages that true users have taken.

dpark816 · 02-11-2008, 02:05 PM

where do i get serm or novaldex?

dpark816 · 02-11-2008, 02:34 PM

Novedex XT what about this?

**JakeVendetta** · 02-11-2008, 03:32 PM

^.... no. You really should of researched how to cycle a PH before starting. did you even read "the guide to post cycle therapy"? Although the doses are off, it hints as to where to obtain a SERM, if you read and reread it and you figure out what the question is you need to ask, then PM me with the question and i can push you in the right direction.

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-11-2008, 09:29 PM

truely, people get messed up badly because they don't do the research and know what the hell is going on with their body. UnderConstruction, again your info is GREAT! Always enjoy reading your posts brotha!

I posted a link to the guide to pct, hope you read it or are going to read it, probably one of the most important posts on this board.

**under construction** · 02-14-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

truely, people get messed up badly because they don't do the research and know what the hell is going on with their body. UnderConstruction, again your info is GREAT! Always enjoy reading your posts brotha!

I posted a link to the guide to pct, hope you read it or are going to read it, probably one of the most important posts on this board.

yea I read it THG damn good post I read it the first time you posted it on another thread. I like the way you look out for people here on the forum your post are a great addition as well. The only thing that looked funny in the post were the size of the dosage on clomid seemed high. I think you could do fine on a lesser dosage with less sides like blurred vision and extreme emotion. I have also heard that many will take it before bed so they sleep through the highest emotional time period instead of acting like a girl in front of their buds LOL. Sorry it took so long to respond have been real busy. Thanks-UC

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-14-2008, 09:32 PM

I know you read it, I meant the dingbat that didn't do his hw before diving into something that could **** him up bad! Yeah there are a lot of people who do the clomid before bed for that reason, not to mention when you sleep your body produces growth hormone, so it really helps to balance out your system and make sure all is going well!