Only 20 grams can be absorbed per serving?

n88tr · 02-02-2008, 07:29 PM

Just today I got more Creatine and Whey, though not of the ON brand, I got both from American Sports Nutrition, a highly-recommended brand by the people in the Apple Fitness [a local shop where I live at home, when I'm not at college like I currently am now] shop.

The manager of the store told me that the body can only absorb 20 grams of pure protein at each minimeal. I have been taking 60 grams of ON Whey at each minimeal, to get up to my 240 gram daily need. Now someone says I can only take in 20 grams per minimeal?? Is this true? If so, I'll need to be taking about a dozen minimeals to get up to the 240 mark, or even more meals then that!

Please tell me this isn't true.

Also, once again, tell me about the serving portions for Whey and Creatine? The Creatine I got, American Sports Fitness [60 servings, $40, 3 lbs tub] says 1 cup, which is included in the tub. The cup is about half as big as my old ON Whey cup that I was using for a while doing the Extreme Chocolate flavor. The manager told me that I should take 1/2 cup 30 mins before my workout and then the other 1/2 cup post-workout. Does that make sense?

Lastly, the Whey, also ASF, says I only need 1 ounce per serving. That seems awfully small??

This woman has really messed me up the head, saying I'm wasting my 60 grams in the minimeals I've been consuming, and that my portions are way too big. Can I get some clarification here? I think I'm doing fine the way I have bene for the past few weeks and I even think I've seen substantial gains, my biceps have grown 2 inches in about 1 month, I think it's from my Creatine cycling and those 4 daily 60 gram ON Whey shakes.

musclemaniac uk · 02-02-2008, 07:35 PM

60g of protein per serving is too much, but 20g maximum is bull****. i usually consume between 30-40g of protein per meal. but it depends on your individual calorie needs. determine how much protein you need in a day and divide it evenly into your 6 or so meals.

wrestlingstalion2 · 02-02-2008, 07:40 PM

it just means he read some article he didnt understand thats all. you can absorb more. its debatable but thats only because people like to argue or get noticed for spouting some facts they dont usually even agree with or take themselves. and if you read different articles from different scientists and doctors. it varys some say you can digest 40 grams. its what youre body can handle. you can tell by how much time you spend on the toilet pooping. not a joke. if youre on there multiple times a day. lower how much protein powder youre using. and just use the scoop how it says man. and i would also say use half a cup before working out and then a full after. it wouldnt make sense to use the same amount before lifting since you already used that training and then maybe some. but in the end just listen to youre body. you say youre making progress and doing fine as is. then keep it up haha dont listen to other people if its working.

**Thomas_Rivera** · 02-02-2008, 07:47 PM

Until there is a definitive study that can show without a shadow of a doubt how much protein someone needs then don't worry about what they say.

I would say for an average person, 20-40 grams of protein per a meal is fine because on average people will take one gram of protein per a pound they weigh.

n88tr · 02-02-2008, 07:55 PM

Ok, so 240 grams a day divided by 6 minimeals = 34 grams per minimeal. If I get 60 grams in 2 scoops, I should be taking 1 rounded scoop 6 times with my minimeals instead of 2 scoops in milk with my blender cup 4 times daily like I used to do. That makes sense.

What is troubling though, the serving size on the Whey saying 1 ounce. 1 ounce is 28 grams....damn, this math is giving me a headache, lol.

But the creatine, does the 1/2 cup pre and 1/2 cup post make sense? The manager said the loading phase was very wasteful, and you should just start like normal and continue for 3 months, taking sunday off [her exact words], and then after 3 months, take a month off and then start the process all over again. I'm just wondering if 1 whole cup is good enough?

**YM123** · 02-02-2008, 07:55 PM

laynes working on this in his PHD, hopefully he can let us all know when hes finished it

wrestlingstalion2 · 02-02-2008, 07:57 PM

a whole cup? do you mean scoop or an actuall cup? what kind did you get?

n88tr · 02-02-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wrestlingstalion2

a whole cup? do you mean scoop or an actuall cup? what kind did you get?

One of those little scoops that comes with the tub.

wrestlingstalion2 · 02-02-2008, 08:05 PM

oh heh. just use the regular scoop man. i usually only use it after lifting. but when im loading i use it before and after.

**YM123** · 02-02-2008, 08:11 PM

use 5 grams of creatione pre and post workout

n88tr · 02-02-2008, 08:11 PM

Man, its so hard to follow those minimeals. I'm in college, and on mondays and wednesdays, I leave the dorms at 8 am and don't get back till 430 pm, I'm on my feet all those hours. What am I supposed to do, bring a gallon of water and 1/2 a ziplock bag full of powders and sliced meats along with me to mix up every 3 hours!?

wrestlingstalion2 · 02-02-2008, 08:13 PM

haha thats exactly what youre supposed to do. and what i do haha. use a lunch box or a book bag. and just stay consistent and keep it up. who cares if someone else says anything about it. do whats gonna do you good.

n88tr · 02-02-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wrestlingstalion2

haha thats exactly what youre supposed to do. and what i do haha. use a lunch box or a book bag. and just stay consistent and keep it up. who cares if someone else says anything about it. do whats gonna do you good.

Thanks, what I keep telling myself. I do carry a shaker blender with a packet of ON Whey [before I ran out but now I'll start using the FSA stuff] with me during my classes, I usually get in 2 shakes but now I'll be keeping tighter to my eating schedule.

It's funny, I'm the only guy drinking from a blender shaker in the gym, everyone else just sips from the silly bubbler.

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-02-2008, 11:18 PM

everyone hit it on the head really, your body does adapt to protein intake though as time goes on, the more protein you injest per serving and the more you train and your body needs it the more protein you can absorb/use per meal.

As far as creatine goes, most people like 5g pre and 5g post, for me my body doesn't like that and makes me nauseas if i have 2 seperate creatine servings too close together, so i just take 10g post workout and 5g before bed.

As far as during the day, you do exactly that, I am a college student too, and I carry my backpack, a duffle bag or protein shakes, bars and foods, and I carry a 1 gallon jug with me throughout the day, this way I can ensure i am eating every 2 hours, especially since my caloric intake during the day to CUT weight is 3000-3500 calories a day, so I got to make sure I am on my diet.

Mister-10 · 02-03-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by musclemaniac uk

60g of protein per serving is too much, but 20g maximum is bull****. i usually consume between 30-40g of protein per meal.

I'm wondering whether there is any science behind these speculations that you should not eat more than say 40 g of protein at once.

As far as I understand, all food stays about 1 or 2 hours in the stomage and about 6 hours in the small intestinal. This is a total time window of 7 to 8 hours that the proteins have to get broken down, and the peptides and amino acids have to get absorbed and enter the blood. So I can hardly believe that the protein will leave the body without being digested and absorbed.

The only problem that I could imagine is that you get too much peptides and amino acids in the blood in a short time, so that the excess gets used as energy or stored as body fat. However I don't know of any scientific evidence that proves that peptides and amino acids are absobed so fast. However, if that would be the case, we would have to eat mainly large molecular weight protein molecules, and not the small molecular weight whey peptides that the supplement industry is promoting so much for its fast absorption. The supplement companies would have to sell us ultra large molecular weight proteins or extended release protein peptides.

n88tr · 02-03-2008, 01:20 AM

^^ 3000-3500 to cut? Damn bro, that's a lot to cut. I thought those numbers were for bulking. Wouldn't [my thoughts] you want 3000 or less for cutting?

IronWarrior-07 · 02-03-2008, 05:51 AM

The body absorbs what protein it takes in and will use it all up buddy. its a constant stream of amino acids from the intestines.

musclemaniac uk · 02-03-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister-10

I'm wondering whether there is any science behind these speculations that you should not eat more than say 40 g of protein at once.

As far as I understand, all food stays about 1 or 2 hours in the stomage and about 6 hours in the small intestinal. This is a total time window of 7 to 8 hours that the proteins have to get broken down, and the peptides and amino acids have to get absorbed and enter the blood. So I can hardly believe that the protein will leave the body without being digested and absorbed.

The only problem that I could imagine is that you get too much peptides and amino acids in the blood in a short time, so that the excess gets used as energy or stored as body fat. However I don't know of any scientific evidence that proves that peptides and amino acids are absobed so fast. However, if that would be the case, we would have to eat mainly large molecular weight protein molecules, and not the small molecular weight whey peptides that the supplement industry is promoting so much for its fast absorption. The supplement companies would have to sell us ultra large molecular weight proteins or extended release protein peptides.

i said nothing along the lines of the body would not absorb that much protein in one serving, i was making a point that if he took in 60g of protein at each serving for say 6 meals throughout the day he would be getting roughly 360g grams a day. there is no need for 360g a day. the rest will be stored as fat, there is no debate on that. you may absorb all 60g per serving, but the body only needs so much protein and the rest will be stored in adipose tissue. i ask you, why would you want to have that much protein throughout the day? and another thing is, i never said you should only consume 40g of protein per serving, if you read my post carefully you will see i stated that I consume that much per serving, so read carefully before you speak. everyones protein and calorie requirements are different, and i told him to determine his protein requirements and split it evenly throughout his meals, anyone in the dungeon will tell you they use the same method.

Mister-10 · 02-03-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by musclemaniac uk

i said nothing along the lines of the body would not absorb that much protein in one serving.

OK, maybe I didn't read your text carefully enough. Sorry for that.

However, I often hear people claim that the body can only absorb like 20 or 30 g of protein at once, and that it is useless to eat more protein in a single meal. I just wanted to question that statement without specifically refering to your message.

So do you guys agree that in terms of protein absorption and use by the body, it is equal to eat 3 meals of 80 grams of protein or 10 meals of 24 grams of protein. Right?

wrestlingstalion2 · 02-03-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister-10

OK, maybe I didn't read your text carefully enough. Sorry for that.

However, I often hear people claim that the body can only absorb like 20 or 30 g of protein at once, and that it is useless to eat more protein in a single meal. I just wanted to question that statement without specifically refering to your message.

So do you guys agree that in terms of protein absorption and use by the body, it is equal to eat 3 meals of 80 grams of protein or 10 meals of 24 grams of protein. Right?

it all depends on whos "studies" you wanna believe man. and which PHD wannabe science wiz is trying to push his idea harder. theres alot of theories and all that stuff and some are actually just studies that were backed by the protein companies anyways so theyre tainted in the first place to get the idea out there to use there stuff more. other are by people who just hate protein drinks all together and ay things like you dont need the drinks you can only absorb 20 grams anyways. these are usually the ones that dont support the drinks at all. its hard to find a definitive answer at all. i for one only use protein before bed right now. i used to all the time. and i will again. but for now im taking a break from them and just eating more. and thats working out great too. so when i add them back in im hoping for a surge of muscle haha. best of luck to me right haha.

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-03-2008, 05:00 PM

for me since I weighed 250lbs for me to cut down, 3,000-3500 calories is what is needed, and I have already dropped down to 235, so I know its working good for me. Not to mention when I bulk I consume between 5000and 10,000 calories a day to get my weight and strength up since I tend to be a hard gainer.

n88tr · 02-03-2008, 08:34 PM

10k calories, pardon me but, holy ****! What kind of diet or supps do you have to get that count?

Another q though, on my part, my serving size of creatine on the new tub I got says a full scoop, which is 45 grams. That's a lot more then the 5 grams pre and post you guys are talking about, why would the container list such a high amount to be taken??

Peek · 02-03-2008, 10:36 PM

im pretty sure its 20 grams per hour bud. depending on your motabolism, its hard to predict how much protein you take in

IronWarrior-07 · 02-04-2008, 04:08 AM

Your body will absorb the protein long after you have ate, its what matter at the end of the day. durring the day is jst for metabolism mainly

**Tall HardGainer** · 02-05-2008, 10:07 PM

the body adjusts to protein intake over time, because over time the body requires more nutrients to fuel the body. Most of the time excess protein is ****ted out, not to mention think of it when your body is in protein synthesis after a workout, it has the ability to absorb around 50-60g protein and 75 or so carbs in a session, because the muscle is absorbing it to help repair, if your body is in a constant state of repair it is taking in as much as it can to repair and fix the broken down muscle.

n88tr · 03-03-2008, 08:06 PM

^ 60 grams... ****, that's a lot. People were chastising me for taking 90 grams when I got all fartsy from it... 60's not too far from 90... Sorry bro but these numbers worry me.

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Originally Posted by wrestlingstalion2

it just means he read some article he didnt understand thats all. you can absorb more. its debatable but thats only because people like to argue or get noticed for spouting some facts they dont usually even agree with or take themselves. and if you read different articles from different scientists and doctors. it varys some say you can digest 40 grams. its what youre body can handle. you can tell by how much time you spend on the toilet pooping. not a joke. if youre on there multiple times a day. lower how much protein powder youre using. and just use the scoop how it says man. and i would also say use half a cup before working out and then a full after. it wouldnt make sense to use the same amount before lifting since you already used that training and then maybe some. but in the end just listen to youre body. you say youre making progress and doing fine as is. then keep it up haha dont listen to other people if its working.

Yeah, I didn't think about it that way, the same amount before and after a workout does sound silly. I've been taking 1 teaspoon of it 30 mins pre workout and then another 1 teaspoon post workout, I would think maybe 2 teaspoons [about half a cup, that little cup that comes in the tub] post?

I'm sorry for keep bringing up portions on creatine, but a whole cup is a lot! it's 20 grams of creatine and that just seems like too much to me... then again maybe my body needs that boost post workout?