methyl 1d and havoc Q

**mitbar** · 01-30-2008, 01:47 PM

So i am new here and have been researching like a mo fo to find my answers to all my little questions, but i need a little bit of help. so here they go. if i take methyl 1d with liquid masterdrol and IGH-1 with a pct of formadrol will taking a support supp like on cycle be adequate to not wreck my body or should i buy all the support supps seperatly? also would havoc require a serm? finally what does everyone think of these products and would you also take some no2 and creatine while on pct? all the help i can get would be appeciated. be gentel on me. thank you.

**Teamorbit** · 01-30-2008, 05:02 PM

I would highly recomend taking a serm with Havoc. Ive seen it done with OTC pct but dont be fooled by it acting like a SERM itself. I noticed slight shut down while on this product. You should be taking support supplements 2 weeks before cycle, during and during PCT.

As for the Creatine and NO, during PCT is when you will need it the most.

As far as Im concerned none of those Legal Gear products are PH.

**Tall HardGainer** · 01-30-2008, 05:46 PM

^Cosign, the creatine and NO will actually help you retain some of the strength you should gain from the stack, personally I would take the NO and creatine while your on it, thats what I do and LOVE it! Great gains and when I come off its not too too bad

**mitbar** · 01-30-2008, 08:38 PM

so why do some people but methyl 1d in the ph section of supps and others dont? also what if you cant really get your hands on a serm? of course the obvious answer would be to stay away from those that require a serm. have you guys tried methyl 1d and if so did or didnt you like it, and any gains that made it worth the dough?

**Tall HardGainer** · 01-30-2008, 11:58 PM

i tend to stay away from methyl products because of the toxicity to the liver and increased side effects that come with it. I think I did it once, the gains were good, but once I was done, I lost a decent amount of my gains, because the pct wasn't good enough to help sustain my natual levels.

**Teamorbit** · 01-31-2008, 12:14 AM

Because It contains DHEA and it is a hormone. DHEA will do nothing for you unless your body needs it. Either due to age or coming off of a cycle where levels are low.

**mitbar** · 02-02-2008, 03:02 PM

so if we are anti methyl what would you guys recommend for a good product with the same effects?