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Old 06-18-2005, 05:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i made a search about this thing .. and read that is a form of creatine with ethyl ester .. and that kind of creatine is better the monohydrayte one .. because it doesn't make you bloated or causes water retintion .. so .. is that sound good to use it when you on a diet for competition ?
 



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Old 06-18-2005, 07:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well dude, whatever....you could just get off the monohydrate a couple of days before the show!
p.s.: get on msn sometime =)
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Old 06-19-2005, 06:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well dude, whatever....you could just get off the monohydrate a couple of days before the show!
p.s.: get on msn sometime =)
LoooL .. ok you're gonna see me soon bro :)

i stopped take creatine since a i started my contest diet :) .. but i'm just asking to know if this stuff work well or not :)
 
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Old 06-19-2005, 07:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You didn't tell me you´d prepare for a contest!! Man, i´m dissapointed
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Old 06-19-2005, 11:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm sure the stuff works but not many tests have been done on the it. Monohydrate has been researched many years and is proven to work.
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i ordered some from a bulk company and have like it real well. i never responded much to mono but i do to cee
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Old 06-20-2005, 02:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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you shouldn't try that ethyl ****. It's VERY expensive stuff and it did absolutely NOT work for me.

I experimented with it for 3 weeks, and the only thing it did for me was it made me feel like I had to go to the badroom every 3 minutes to piss it out. I didn't notice any improvement when I looked in the mirror after 3 weeks. Funny thing is, I took 1 week of rest after that, began training again the next week, and I made in that week without that product more gains than those 3 weeks with the product.

Creatine monohydrate is such a loved product because muscle = water. And creatine enables you to hold more water in a muscle. You get the whole thing? That ethyl esther thing is a bull**** story anyway, they claim that it has the same effect as creatine but it only doesn't make you look like you hold a lot of water. Then WHAT should the effect be? No visible signs that you use the product?
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:25 AM   #8 (permalink)
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you shouldn't try that ethyl ****. It's VERY expensive stuff and it did absolutely NOT work for me.

I experimented with it for 3 weeks, and the only thing it did for me was it made me feel like I had to go to the badroom every 3 minutes to piss it out. I didn't notice any improvement when I looked in the mirror after 3 weeks. Funny thing is, I took 1 week of rest after that, began training again the next week, and I made in that week without that product more gains than those 3 weeks with the product.

Creatine monohydrate is such a loved product because muscle = water. And creatine enables you to hold more water in a muscle. You get the whole thing? That ethyl esther thing is a bull**** story anyway, they claim that it has the same effect as creatine but it only doesn't make you look like you hold a lot of water. Then WHAT should the effect be? No visible signs that you use the product?
perfect pose .. thx man :)

hey number6 .. sorry for not telling u .. maybe i forgot :)
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:35 AM   #9 (permalink)
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You're welcome

goodluck with your contest preparation.
 
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Creatine Ethyl Ester Info And Products
Absorbed Better Than Regular Creatine Monohydrate!

What is it and where does it come from?

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.

What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass, muscle strength and athletic performance.

However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.

Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."

Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?

Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?

All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:

1. Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
2. Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
3. Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids

When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.

When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.

Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.

Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.

Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.

This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!

Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?

Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.

Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?

Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.

Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.

The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.

The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.

To view these reports click here!

How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?

Strictly adhere to label recommendations.

No side effects have been reported in scientific literature.
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The only difference between Creatine Monohydrate and CEE is that CEE is Creatine Monohydrate but with an ester attached. The ester helps so that your body absorbs the creatine better and does not cause water retention as creatine monohydrate does.
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Old 09-06-2005, 05:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's hard replying to this thread after all that good information in front of my reply. I just wanted to say Cellmass and NO-Xplode is made of this type of creatine. If I was to compare it to creatine 6000 by Muscletech, I would say it's better. I believe all creatine will make you retain water.
 
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Old 09-09-2005, 04:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i bet all those guys that said its junk at the start of this thred, must have a real liking for the taste of their foot!!! Right inthe article is says CEE is the same thing as monohydrate except for and ester attached. hmmmmmm
 
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i made a search about this thing .. and read that is a form of creatine with ethyl ester .. and that kind of creatine is better the monohydrayte one .. because it doesn't make you bloated or causes water retintion .. so .. is that sound good to use it when you on a diet for competition ?
CEE is monohydrate the has been esterfied to make it more soluable in water. They say monohydrate is only 30% as good in the best conditions as CEE. CEE tastes like crap, so I highly recommend getting it in pills. I used to believe two things about monohydrate that I know now are not true.
1) I never got bloat, so I didnt believe the claims of bloat, plus I believed creatine to be a cell volumizer (which it is) so monohydrate would enter muscle cells and the water would be intracellular vs. subcutaneous. Well I found out not all monohydrate makes it into the cell and since monohydrate attracts water it sits outside the cell with subcutaneos water (bloat). Yuck
2) I also used to think that creatine needed a glucose transport to enter muscle tissue. Not true. Look at the study. :)
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thx bro :)
 
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I started working out about 7 weeks ago, I already had some decent muscle size due to a semester of weight training in HS and genetics. Anyway, my friend suggested that I try Crea-Ethyl Thunder (Omega Sports). I've been taking 8 pills a day for the past 9 days and I've had some wicked strength gains. For instance, barbell curls went from 70X10 to 90X10...seated military press went from 6 reps of 135 to 9 reps...Lat pull downs went from 8 of 160 to 8 or 180...Dbell shrugs went from 85X10 to 105X12. First creatine product I've taken, can't really compare it to monohydrate but I can verify that this shirt works........

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I started working out about 7 weeks ago, I already had some decent muscle size due to a semester of weight training in HS and genetics. Anyway, my friend suggested that I try Crea-Ethyl Thunder (Omega Sports). I've been taking 8 pills a day for the past 9 days and I've had some wicked strength gains. For instance, barbell curls went from 70X10 to 90X10...seated military press went from 6 reps of 135 to 9 reps...Lat pull downs went from 8 of 160 to 8 or 180...Dbell shrugs went from 85X10 to 105X12. First creatine product I've taken, can't really compare it to monohydrate but I can verify that this shirt works........

19yrs old, 215lbs, 17-18%bf

I agree. Cre-Ethyl Thunder was by far the best I tried. Im also hearing good things about Green Bulge (Controlled Labs).
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I dont know if I mentioned this or not but monohydrate has a hard time passing lipid membranes (thats why some people get terrible gas with creatine because most wont absorb). Monohydrate even if you are a responder is only 30% effective in the best condition, while CEE is ~100%.
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Omegas Cre-Ethyl Thunder http://www.nutraplanet.com/product_i...3047773133c237

Controlled Labs Green Bulge http://www.nutraplanet.com/product_i...3047773133c237
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