Is there any worthwhile non-caffeine fat burner?

verdantlife · 01-22-2008, 07:30 PM

My guess is no...I just hate the jittery restlessness and have had zero caffeine in my diet for 3+ years. I'd like to do all I can for fat burning, but having a pounding heart and tossing/turning all night is too much...

(Yeah, I know, you cycle on/off, blah blah...it's still just a big jolt to your system).

I've been looking at other fat burners, but all the ones that are well-reviewed are chock full of caffeine...

**Tall HardGainer** · 01-22-2008, 07:46 PM

try yohimbe, also check out some of the thermogetics, some don't use caffeine

KM · 01-22-2008, 09:04 PM

Hmm, maybe a Green Tea Blend? May not be that big of an impact but can definitely speed up your metabolism some.

**lil_big_junior** · 01-22-2008, 11:10 PM

Leviathan is best without all the caffeine, each cap has less than 100mg in it, whereas others like Lipo 6 have 200mg per cap, so that's 400mg per serving...That's when jitters start coming in, lol

Yohimbe can give serious palpitations if the user is sensitive to it, so it's not the best choice to take. Yohimbe in small portions is great as far as fat burning is concerned but taking pure Yohimbe supps isn't all that great.

Try Leviathan by PAL (Palo Alto Labs) you'll like it

verdantlife · 01-23-2008, 12:38 AM

I talked to the guy at the Vitamin Shoppe when I stopped there and he recommended taking a lot of EFA. His recommendation for improving body composition was 1g of EPA+DHA (fish fatty acids) oil per 10 lb. of lean body mass...if my LBM is around 170 or so, that's 17 teaspoons, or about 6 tablespoons.

Only problem is...6 tablespoons of fish oil is 680 calories...and 77g of fat...and 425mg of cholesterol (136% of RDA)...something tells me this isn't the road to fat loss, unless I'm missing something???

BTW, that would be 12,495mg of EPA + 8,160mg of DHA.

I do take 864mg EPA + 576mg DHA daily in the form of softgels now, which is 50 cals. That's on my doc's advice.

**Tall HardGainer** · 01-23-2008, 09:15 AM

I am taking leviathan now and LOVE it!!!!! No jitters or anything, just a great feeling.

**lil_big_junior** · 01-23-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by verdantlife

I talked to the guy at the Vitamin Shoppe when I stopped there and he recommended taking a lot of EFA. His recommendation for improving body composition was 1g of EPA+DHA (fish fatty acids) oil per 10 lb. of lean body mass...if my LBM is around 170 or so, that's 17 teaspoons, or about 6 tablespoons.

Only problem is...6 tablespoons of fish oil is 680 calories...and 77g of fat...and 425mg of cholesterol (136% of RDA)...something tells me this isn't the road to fat loss, unless I'm missing something???

BTW, that would be 12,495mg of EPA + 8,160mg of DHA.

I do take 864mg EPA + 576mg DHA daily in the form of softgels now, which is 50 cals. That's on my doc's advice.

That guy at the vit shop's full of shit. That's rediculas, who the fuck would take all of that. I take 3,000mg of EPA daily but 12,495 is taking the piss

**lil_big_junior** · 01-23-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

I am taking leviathan now and LOVE it!!!!! No jitters or anything, just a great feeling.

LOL. Fresh feeling witout the jitters or the crash. It's a great product.

verdantlife · 01-23-2008, 01:41 PM

OK, I'll give it a shot. I'm thinking of stacking it with Reset-AD. I really like Palo Alto products and this one sounds interesting and perhaps a good thing to take with a stim.

**Tall HardGainer** · 01-23-2008, 03:09 PM

i love leviathan! great product no jitters, great feeling on it.

**lil_big_junior** · 01-23-2008, 05:19 PM

Nuff said, the thread is now dead, LOL...
PAL Leviathan it is