[Gym Warrior]

Hey im just wondering...I recently bought a cycle of Methyl 1-D and have a PCT of Formadrol Extreme. I've heard that Methyl 1-D is ****, but i've decided since I already bought it, might as well give it a go and train hard!

But now im wondering, I'm in college and parties come around. I'm usually strict with my diets and consume no alcohol whatsoever and I know that Prohormones and alcohol don't mix. My question is what happens when ur in mid cycle of this and u decide to abuse alcohol once? Will it completely **** me up?

Im just curious because there's a big party coming soon and idk if I can resist the temptation to alcohol.

Thanks

[mindgame]

i just did some research and from what i been reading alot of peeps were saying that Methyl1-d isnt even a prohomone. But thats just from what i research. you can research yourself and get your answer on it. If it is a prohomone why take the risk of drinking and killing your liver even more? Just lay off the drinking or wait til after the party before you start your cycle.

also welcome to the dungeon!

whats your goals? stats? age? and whats your diet like? nothing beats a good diet. im not the expert here but iam learning and i can help you out.Im pretty sure the more experience peeps like LBJ or m1snapper will come to the rescue.

[Tall HardGainer]

yeah I would completely stay away from alcohol because like he just said its soooooo toxic to your liver, and when you add alcohol that is also toxic to the liver, you are just asking for trouble. As it is when you take a ph, although m1d is debatable as a ph, you should be taking some sort of milk thistle or liver product to help keep your liver clean and healthy and prevent your liver count from going down too much.

[deeturnerjr72]

Its the methylated part thats hard on the liver. For the most part I dont think it would kill you to drink a couple one night while cycling. I would NOT drink more than a couple.
But I highly suggest not to do it just because of many variables.
You dont really know how your body will react to certain situations. If you have a stronge liver or not. If you have problems that you arent aware of it could jeapardize your health.
I personally am not going to take anymore methylated orals. I have done one cycle with no problems but when you think about it the cons far outweigh the pros.
Is your liver something you are willing to risk? Its up to you because its your body. Good luck bro.

[chrispghmuscle]

Simple, Stay away from booze

[Tall HardGainer]

well said dee!

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by Gym Warrior

Hey im just wondering...I recently bought a cycle of Methyl 1-D and have a PCT of Formadrol Extreme. I've heard that Methyl 1-D is ****, but i've decided since I already bought it, might as well give it a go and train hard!

But now im wondering, I'm in college and parties come around. I'm usually strict with my diets and consume no alcohol whatsoever and I know that Prohormones and alcohol don't mix. My question is what happens when ur in mid cycle of this and u decide to abuse alcohol once? Will it completely **** me up?

Im just curious because there's a big party coming soon and idk if I can resist the temptation to alcohol.

Thanks

methyl 1-d is basically dhea. Which some people consider a pro hormone. But in all honesty will not benifit anyone under the age of 30. Alot of people see gains from it but not nearly the kind from real pro-h's. If you read the ad's in magazines legal gar even say "100% DSHEA COMPLIANT" and dshea is basically the same as dhea with a minor attactment.

As for the booz stay away from it. No point in it does nothing but make you act like and idiot and lower your standards in girls. And well its not worth it. Either dont drink while cycling this or wait till after the parties. Its really your choice though.

[Gym Warrior]

hey well thanks for the quick answers. helps a lot.
right now im 160, muscle and bones! lol. typical hardgainer (ectomorph) but i found a way to overcome that, gaining 10 lbs of muscle in 3 months. Then I got an injury, torn labrum and partially dislocated shoulder. got surgery and been on the rebound since then. i've been training but not too consistantly cuz school's getting tougher.

My simple goal is to gain mass and decrease body fat, 'cause i want a good 6 pack too.

I am 20 going on 21 very soon.

Here's my diet:
7am-Breakfast
-3 scrambled eggs w/ 2 slices of cheese
-1 cup of tomatoes, cucumbers, chives w/oil & vinegar
-3 8oz cups of water
-Multivitamin, Fish Oil

10am Mid Morning Snack
-1/2 cup almonds, protein shake, fish oil

10:30 Pre-workout
-Creatine, Nuclear Garbage, Gakic

11 am Workout
-water or gatorade

12 pm Post Workout
-2 glasses water, whey protein isolate (ON 100% whey), creatine mono, BCAA's, fish oil

1 pm lunch
-Grilled Chicken Breast, 3 cups mixed vegetables, 3 glasses of water

3:30 pm Mid afternoon snack
-Protein Shake, Fish Oil

5:30 Dinner
-Steak, or chicken, mixed green salad, 2 slices whole grain bread, 3 glasses water.

8 pm Last Meal
-Protein shake, glutamine

Before Bed
-Muscle Milk

My Training Split is kind of a 2 week thing to understand:

Monday: Back & Biceps (A)
Tuesday: Legs (B)
Wednesday: Off
Thur: Chest/Shoulders/Triceps (C)
Fri: (A)
Sat: (B)
Sun: Off
Mon: (C)
Tues: (Off)
Wed: (A)
Thur: (B)
Fri: Off
Sat: (C)
Sun: Off

Since I'm an ectomorph, i do 6-8 reps per set with 5-8 total sets. I try to keep them short but intense, since this is what research has given me. It also shows to slower my Myostatin levels.

This is the routine where I started gaining a **** load of mass over that 3 month period...

What do you guys think?

[Gym Warrior]

Oh yeah and I almost forgot, what kind of PH's do u guys recommend for gaining mass?

and i fell for the dam advertisements from LG Sciences. I should've heard about bodybuildingdungeon.com before I bought them. but oh well...

[JOkun]

Hey bro welcome to the forum, new as well. Anyways I'm in college too and usually college students are strapped for money. I don't know if you are, but just looking at your diet there's some things I would personally change. I'm not one to say take this and don't take that supplement, but you're wasting your money with Gakic and its like 8 pills a day or something rediculous and I also think it's been discontinued. I have no clue what's in Nuclear Garbage, but if you like it pre-workout stick with it. Personally, I like Vasocharge becuase of the taste and content with ingredients I understand. If you're drinking gatorade during your workout get the powdered form. The powder is made up of maltodextrin I'm pretty sure and the actuall premade drink is Fructose and other ****ty sugars that will crash you durning a workout. Also in your postworkout you need some CARBS! Your a hardgainer, and without carbs you aint growing. Go with some Waxy Maize IMO to throw in that shake. Not sure bout Fish Oil postworkout either maybe someone else can elaborate on Fats postworkout but it prob decreases naturall GH. Rereading over your diet it just seems like you don't have enough carbs, go buy some Yams, Sweet Potatoes, Brown Rice, etc. You're a 160 pound hardgainer you should be getting like 300 carbs plus a day at least. Goodluck brother

[mm1snapper]

Well in all honesty your a little young for pro-h's. But i will say your lacking complex carb's in alot of your meals try adding whole grain oat meal in the morning, wheat thins with your snacks, whole weat/grain pasta in later meals, also brown/wild rice.

And also relying on shakes way to much for your protein intake. Nothin replaces whole foods, eat a can of water packaged tuna, turkey breast, ect... And for your last protein shake get a casein protein not muscle milk, or eat some cattage cheese with it.

But if your serious about pro-h's i will help with what is out and a good product but you need to research things first.

[Gym Warrior]

alright, so I need some more carbs, ill fit those in with my diet, but would i just need a few more grams? and where exactly should i fit them in?

Nuclear Garbage is a performance energy drink that is AWESOME! i got all veiny and gave me good pumps. if you're curious, look it up on drinkgarbage.com and they sell it for $20 on bodybuilding.com

Are you serious about Gakic??? well its a good thing, I have a friend that steals supps from i dont know where but he sold me Gakic fo $15 so i got 3 bottles...but the 8 pills is a crap load.

as far as prohormones, im a little iffy but im doing a lot more research and my research indicates that PH's are bad and liver toxic, but as long as they are cycled properly and have a PCT, you should be fine, as long as you dont abuse them. As for PH's, I would ONLY plan on taking them at most twice a year, based on my research and because I dont want to get Mr. Olympia huge. so, can u please help me with good, mass gaining ph's, mm1snapper?

JOkun, welcome to the forum as well. just curious, how much do u weigh? just asking cuz thats about as big as i want to get. good **** bro.

[JOkun]

appreciate the compliment bro. I started training weighing in at around 140-150 like 3 yrs ago and now currently weigh around 185 at 5'9". I don't have much knowledge with Pro Hormones but in my opinion you're just wasting your money at this age. Let the natural stuff take its place and then when you're ready for the next step take them. Don't take the Prohormones as a shortcut, cause I'm gona tell ya now there's no shortcuts in this game. I also agree with getting rid of the muscle milk before bed, get some Casein before bed. I take ISS Research Micellar Matrix. With regards to where to fir them in, you're going to want to get some form of carbs with every meal except the one before bed. Make sure most of your carbs are coming in the morning, preworkout, and postworkout. keep us updated with ur progress bro!

[deeturnerjr72]

as far as prohormones, im a little iffy but im doing a lot more research and my research indicates that PH's are bad and liver toxic, but as long as they are cycled properly and have a PCT, you should be fine, as long as you dont abuse them. As for PH's, I would ONLY plan on taking them at most twice a year, based on my research and because I dont want to get Mr. Olympia huge. so, can u please help me with good, mass gaining ph's, mm1snapper?

Well, your kind of right and wrong here. Yes, you need to cycle and PCT correctly. Cycling will help to keep some stess off your liver. But fact is they are still taxing your liver even with one cycle. Whos to say that even just "one" cycle wont impare you? Maybe not, or most likely not, but is that a chance you want to take?
Especially at your age you arent going to see much results with a prohormone. Your test is already high at your age.
My advice....wait a few more years and see where you are at. DO NOT get into too big of a hurry. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle and it takes time to get where you want to be
Best of luck bro!

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by JOkun

appreciate the compliment bro. I started training weighing in at around 140-150 like 3 yrs ago and now currently weigh around 185 at 5'9". I don't have much knowledge with Pro Hormones but in my opinion you're just wasting your money at this age. Let the natural stuff take its place and then when you're ready for the next step take them. Don't take the Prohormones as a shortcut, cause I'm gona tell ya now there's no shortcuts in this game. I also agree with getting rid of the muscle milk before bed, get some Casein before bed. I take ISS Research Micellar Matrix. With regards to where to fir them in, you're going to want to get some form of carbs with every meal except the one before bed. Make sure most of your carbs are coming in the morning, preworkout, and postworkout. keep us updated with ur progress bro!

Totally agree. ALso agree with the casein. Dump the muscle milk pre bedtime. ALso you can just use skimmilk+cottage cheese for bedtime if you dont have casein

[Gym Warrior]

Im a dumbass for not properly reading the Muscle Milk label...I previously thought it was pretty much cassein. But sounds good, ill go into buying a good cassein.

I think you guys are right. I was reading an article by some one guy (forgot his name), in the medical field and says that you don't really need any prohormone until you are over 26 years old. It says that I'm at the prime of my testosterone levels.

So now to get rid of them and get my money...maybe ebay?

Do you guys think I could at least take a testosterone supplement, like 6-oxo, Andro Test, etc. or should I just save my money and strictly use the basics, NO, creatine, and protein?

[Gym Warrior]

I'm starting to train on January 21st, monday and go until March 7th (thur or fri). Then take a week off and go again. In March I have an auction and I want that six pack!

But i will for sure keep you all updated on my progress!

[deeturnerjr72]

Trust me you are wasting your time trying to raise your test at your age. Focus on the basics for now. Lift heavy. Diet properly. Take your whey, bcaas, creatine and if you want get you a preworkout supp such as superpump250 or NO SHotgun. Dont waste your body or money on test supps right now.

[mindgame]

told you mm1snapper will come to the rescue! lmao
GL with your bulk bro...

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by mindgame

told you mm1snapper will come to the rescue! lmao
GL with your bulk bro...

Thanks for the recognition man! Way to look out.

[mindgame]

of course man. I know by reading your post you know your stuff on this. Im trying to suck in alot of knowledge so i can start helping out peeps and get some reps.

[mm1snapper]

Originally Posted by mindgame

of course man. I know by reading your post you know your stuff on this. Im trying to suck in alot of knowledge so i can start helping out peeps and get some reps.

Ya man thats what ive been doin! Lately i have been reading pro-h's and bcaa's, Next its going to be more on proper nutrition.

Only thing is not many people rep me. But its all good i now im still helping out!

[Tall HardGainer]

DID I miss the party?!!!! Ok well here is my .02, at 160 lbs and a hard gainer you should be consuming at least 3200 calories a day. Of that you should be considering about 40% proteins, 50%carbs and 10% EFA's. Casein before bed is a must for weight gain and sustaining since your body metabolizes at night it looks to muscle (not fat) as a source of energy to run itself (the body by nature is lazy and since muscle requires more energy to store than fat it tries to get rid of it in essence so use up the muscle as source of energy) by using a casein shake you are allowing the body to use that as a form of energy to run itself through the course of the night and saving your precious hard earned work from being used up and depleted. Carbs are your friend in lifting, as long as they are the right ones. You want whole wheat carbs (complex) throughout the the day, stay away from simple carbs like white breads, etc... throughout the day, with the exception of your post workout shake, because this is where your body is in protein synthesis and is sucking all the nutrients into the muscles that were just worked and starts the repair process, this is also your most important time to make sure you get the most nutrients in your system, so get at least 50grams of fast digesting protein into your system and around 70grams of fast digesting carbs (I actually like IDS Smartgainer for my post workout shake because its all fast digesting and helped my recovery tremendously). Waxymaize is a great preworkout shake too like mentioned before, gives you good pumps and if you take preworkout supplements it actaully helps get them into your system faster, which is great. You might also want to consider a good monohydrate creatine postworkout with your shake, or personally I like Gaspari SizeOn during the workout and then my postworkout shake right after completion of my routine. Everyone else is correct though, don't worry about taking ph's at this age, as of right now your a walking steroid as it is, let nature take its course and you will grow. Not to mention ph's are not like steroids you wouldn't become mr.Olympia size by taking more than 2 cycles a year, its not a wonder drug and they can be very toxic to your liver and need to be taken carefully. BBing is a lifestyle and is about winning the war not the battle. At this point all you need is mentioned above, diet, determination and the will to succeed. Take a good multi, efa's, bcaa's, whey protein, casein protein and trust me you WILL see the changes in your body and strength. Like MM1 said, if you want to know more about ph's just let me know, I know quite a lot about them and always available to help people with them if they so desire because I don't want to see anyone waste their money and hurt themselves by doing something wrong and/or stupid.
Since you want to keep/get a six pack make sure that you do at least 30 minutes of cardio 3 times a week postworkout (before you shake) in order to keep your fat deposites in check. Sorry for the late addition, but figured I would lend some information.

Also, welcome to the Dungeon Gym Warrior and JOkun!

[Redrom']

great posts!