[Redrom']

When should hormones be used and is it safe? I've been looking at this subject for about a week and I'dd like your input on hormones.. I know alot of people use it but still..let me know!

[redfirebirdowner]

do a search I'm sure there has been more than enough post on this

[mindgame]

well they said and my personal opinion and from i learned on this site and if you between the ages of 18-22 you test is at its highest. personally for me i won tuse them til im like 25 or so..but it depends cause its different for each person. how old are you?
any one want to correct me on this? im still new to hormones and stuff so if im saying something wrong correct me please.

[AvRunningBack1331]

Hes 15 and hormones are way out of his league for his age. Wow i think you still got it in your head from the creatine subject that like everyone else puts it "Magical Subtance" or something like that, that if you take stuff inteneded for muscles or muscle growth that it will just come to you. IT WONT You need to do everything else diet, lift, eat right, get sleep, take the right supplements, and all the other stuff that comes along with it.

[mindgame]

O he is 15? then man co sign on that. you shouldnt even be thinking about it. just like he said good diet, rest, add little protien powder bcaas multi vit and creatine if you want too. and do that for awhile and gain muscle. remember muscle dont come over night takes time.

[justlift32]

When you say hormones, there is a ton of meaning behind the word. Don't confuse AAS and PH's.

that being said, DO NOT even think about using either of those drugs at your age. period.

[under construction]

its not that external hormones are out of your league its more like you are out of their league. At 15 years of age you are a fountain of natural test so you have all the hormones you need and then some. So add to that protein a good diet lots of sleep and water and you will make gains that us older guys would kill for. Worry about the hormones in about ten years or so right now just TRAIN HARD!!! Good luck

[Tall HardGainer]

Here is a nightmare story just so you know what ph's and real gear can do to you at a young age. This guy I know started juicing when he first started HS. He used to be the chubby kid in middle school and then over the summer going into his freshman year he became a monster!! Everyone knew it, never said anything (he showed the signs of using) now, he pisses blood, has ED, and loses so much weight and muscle when hes off because he ****ed up his natural test production because he started taking **** way too young when it wasn't necessary.

Personally I have taken PH's, they work well for me, but I have been doing my research and talking with vendors when it comes to them, so I know how they are working and why. I am also going on 24, and have been doing all the readings and research for years now. 15 years is way too young, what ****ing moron instilled that **** in your head anyways? PH's should be tampered with until at LEAST 21, no younger!!!! And I wouldn't recommend them unless you know what your getting yourself into and do all the research and reading up on the substance you are about to take. Like mentioned before, at the age of 15 you are a walking fountain of test, eat a **** load of good foods and you won't be disappointed. I have taken on training a younger kid (about 16) at my gym and I train him and told him what to eat and how much, and in 1 month he has already gained 15lbs and is still lean. At this rate this kid is going to be a monster by the time he is 18-19 years old. Don't look for a shortcut, because there really isn't one, sweat and tears is where you are going to make your gains. LIFT HEAVY or GO HOME!!!!!

[justlift32]

^case closed.

[Redrom']

lol...I,m 21. But thanks for the info.

[Tall HardGainer]

how long have you been lifting for?

[Redrom']

Lifting for roughly 7years. On and off. The foundation is there though.

[justlift32]

7 years...then wouldnt you know the VERY basics about lifting weights, and creatine. bro, just by looking and remembering your previous posts...there is no way that you have had a consistent and educated approach to bodybuilding for 7 years.

im not calling you dumb, but after 7 years, you would think that you would know a little more than some of the questions you have.

based on this, dont even consider PH's or AAS.


age is only half the issue. yes your old enough at 21, but if you don't have a diet on point and know what your doing with training...the cycle mine as well just be thrown in the garbage.

[lil_big_junior]

hormones???

aas, gh, igf, insulin & ph's aren't magical sweeties...diet, training, rest, repeat = growth...

need more knowlegde in what you're doing bro, in 7 years you can do ALOT to your body, if you've only got foundation you're doing something wrong, it's not about what you're taking it's what you're doing & what kind of diet you have. stay natural & get these in order first atleast

[rIPPDUP]

thank you lbj

[AvRunningBack1331]

IM sorry REDROM I was thinking about young age and I was talking to him the same night i posted that and was thinking about his age so sorry for the mistake.

[AvRunningBack1331]

Originally Posted by Tall HardGainer

I have taken on training a younger kid (about 16) at my gym and I train him and told him what to eat and how much, and in 1 month he has already gained 15lbs and is still lean. At this rate this kid is going to be a monster by the time he is 18-19 years old. Don't look for a shortcut, because there really isn't one, sweat and tears is where you are going to make your gains. LIFT HEAVY or GO HOME!!!!!

God I wish someone would help me train but everyone there is to into their selves but also for a personal point of view I like to just get my workouts done 2.

[Redrom']

I've been lifting for 7years. I'm in top shape I've been lifting naturally(no supps at all) for 6 years and this is my first year doing protein and all that. Thats why I don't know much about it. I'm just trying to learn. Thanks anyway

[rIPPDUP]

hey bud, we all have to start somewhere. personally i'm glad your taking the proper steps and trying to acquire the knowledge of what your doing before actually doing it, and doing it incorrectly. i'll help ya in any way i can bud. i've been around the block a few times, especially in the prohormone route...and i've dabbled in the "gear" as well.

[Redrom']

as far as my dieting goes here it is:
4am: Gritz
7am: 6egg whites w/ 1 w.w bagel & 1 banana
11am: 1 1/2 strip chicken w/ w.w rice & brocoli
2pm: protein shake
5pm: 1 round stake w/ w.w rice & vegies
9pm: protein shake
On weekends I don't wake as early so I can get some casein protein in me on weekdays I take a glass of milk w/ cheese before bed around 10pm.
My supplements are 15g creatine monohydrate, whey protein, protein gainer, bcaa, flaxseed, omega3.

My training split (weird for the moment) is:
Monday-Chest/Triceps/Shoulders
Tuesday-Back/Biceps/Trapz
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-I usually do all my exercises except the legs
Friday-Off
Saturday-Chest/Triceps/Shoulders
Sunday-Back/Biceps/Trapez

I only do 1 day of legs because I'm really buff on the legs.
I'dd like to clarify that I train at home in my gym. If I were to go training in a gym I'dd do each muscle group seperatly.

[rIPPDUP]

honestly, i'd try to add 2 more meals in...may be hard, but trust me bud...you'll thank me later

[Redrom']

2 more meals?...your right it's gonna be god damn hard but I,ll try. thanks rippd

[Tall HardGainer]

Absolutely! If size and strength is your goal, eat every 2 hours (if you can't eat, down a shake), personally I am a hardgainer, and when I started eating every 2 hours and eating/dieting right I was able to add some good mass and strength, it takes time at first to get used to the extra food/calories, but you will adapt and should be on your merry way to weight gain!!!

[Redrom']

great. thanks! will do honestly!

[lil_big_junior]

i work like crazy & still manage to train atleast 5-7 times a week, at the most 9 times a week. i eat 10 meals a day & it is hard but a few weeks of it & it will become a routine. each meal i eat i take on a 1.5-2hr window between meals, now i don't even watch the clock, my body tells me when it's time to eat coz i'm so use to it. good luck in training bro & don't threat to ask any questions at any time

[Redrom']

thanks junior! I was wondering if I was over training since I,m training 3times every bodypart in a week. What would you think?

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by Redrom'

thanks junior! I was wondering if I was over training since I,m training 3times every bodypart in a week. What would you think?

that is over training bro...twice at the most on a 4 day split is good but NO MORE than that

[ibanezman88]

cosign
1 or 2 times a week per bodypart
any more and it's overtraining

wow, LBJ, you train 7 days a week some weeks? that's brutal? how do you manage not to overtrain?

[lil_big_junior]

my current split is as follows;

15 mins cardio everyday after each session

monday am - legs

tuesday am - chest

tuesday pm - tri's, mainly rep work

wednesday am - full lats

wednesday pm - traps, calves

thursday am - abs

thursday pm - 1 hr cardio

friday am - shoulders

friday pm - tri's, bi's

saturday - off

sunday - off (cheat day)

currently trying to bring up endurance in tri's a bit because my benching's gone down alot due to tri's gassing out too quick. lacked training tri's so much over the past 2 months through elbow pains, but now recovered from it

[ibanezman88]

i can't imagine coming back to the gym in the pm for another workout even if it's a short one

is there a tactical advatage to this logic LBJ? or is it just the way you like it.

i can see how you're not overtraining. thanks for answering that question. i was wondering.

i have minor elbow pains too. they used to be worse. but they're getting in the way of me training my triceps hard.
how did you recover? just overtime?