[lecznar1]

hey guys i'm new here and i was just reading a few of the posts and i was wondering why everyone hates muscle tech so much... i mean i take nitro tech and it's a pretty good protein product, i would also like to know what i shoud take to start getting bigger, i'm about 6' 170 and i wanna pack on some more mass... should i just keep taking protein, creatine, my zma and multivitamin? or should i get other things... thanks in advance for the help

[pheonix765]

90% of your size will come from your diet. if your diet is is right then all you need is a good whey protein, creatine monohydrate and some bcaa powder. just take in atleast 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight as a minimum

[lecznar1]

my meals are pretty much for breakfast 2 bowls of cereal with some toast, chicken for lunch with some salad, and a burger, steak, or some other kind of red meat for dinner with salad and some fries, i usually have toast throughout the day though for like little snacks

[T.O]

thats a bit much dont you think Pheonix. I would say 1 and no more than 1.5.

[lecznar1]

and i do 1 per lb right now so i dont know if i should up it to that much or not either

[justlift32]

that is to much. 1lb is sufficient...possibly 1.5 on a cut because you need to counteract the low carbs by using more protein to insure you dont lose a greater amount of muscle mass.

[pheonix765]

sorry that was a typo. i guess i need to start reading my post. i take in usually about 250grams a day. so yes i meant 1 gram per pound. sorry again.

[justlift32]

ahh no worries man.

[T.O]

its all good. That happened to me too not to long ago. lol

[lecznar1]

ok so just keep what i'm doing and mayb up the amount of protein intake?

[pheonix765]

if your already doing 1gram per pound already then your protein intake is fine.

[lecznar1]

ok so just keep on what i'm doing?

[pheonix765]

pretty much eat healthy and lift hard and youll see results in no time

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by lecznar1

my meals are pretty much for breakfast 2 bowls of cereal with some toast, chicken for lunch with some salad, and a burger, steak, or some other kind of red meat for dinner with salad and some fries, i usually have toast throughout the day though for like little snacks

I would suggest taking meals more often. Try to eat 6-8 meals a day. Not just the standard 3 meals.
Every meal doesnt have to be a big one. I would find some other things to snack on besides just toast. Hopefully its grain toast your eating and not white toast. PB&J on whole grain makes a good snack.
Try to keep carbs to Low GI carbs mostly if possible. Simple carbs right after your workout to spike insulin while drinking a protien shake.
There is a lot of information on proper bulking diets in the nutrition forum to take advantage of.
At 170lbs you should probably shoot for around 3000-3500 calories a day, maybe even more depending on your metabolism.
Most people will suggest 1g protien /lb. However there are others that will go up to 2g. Personally I shoot for 1g. I know the boys doing the DC shoot for 2g, but thats another story.
Always multivitamin, omega oils, whey protein. You can add bcaas, creatine, NO are whatever supps. you want to experiment with.
Good luck and welcome to the dungeon

Oh and if you wanna pay for overpriced products then I have no problem with MuscleTech, LOL! There are other products that do just as good and better job that are cheaper.

Here is the nutrition forum link
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/nutrition/

[lecznar1]

that's exactly what i snack on is pbj wit bread... and thanks for the warm welcome... so there isn't really anything wrong with muscletech cuz i can get their products for cheap so that kind of draws that out lol

[Thomas_Rivera]

I can get chicken necks for cheap, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna go out and buy a bag of chicken neck. Their products don't carry up to their claims, simple. They might have one product that is decent out of their whole line, even with a cheaper price what does it matter?

Your not even on a proper diet, you should worry less about supplements and more about eating right.

[lecznar1]

look at the previous posts everyone said i was eating ok

[T.O]

No your diet is not Ok.

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by lecznar1

look at the previous posts everyone said i was eating ok

I wasnt one of them. You must have misunderstood my post somehow. Your diet is way off bro. Go back and read what I posted again. The PB&J snack I recommended wasnt assuring your diet was anywhere near in check. Its just a snack

This was an important part of my post:

There is a lot of information on proper bulking diets in the nutrition forum to take advantage of.
At 170lbs you should probably shoot for around 3000-3500 calories a day, maybe even more depending on your metabolism

Good luck bro.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Pheonix said you were doing ok.

Dee and Orbit both agree with my view, more so Dee even said to go for six meals instead of 3. Not everyone said you were eating ok.

[justlift32]

no where did we say the diet was good...most of the posts were regarding your amount of protein intake, and there is more to a diet than protein intake.

[under construction]

read Deeturners post again he was actually giving you some quick advice on how to revamp your diet. He would like to see you up your meals by three to five meals a day. I know this sounds like a pain but you might have to pack a small cooler around with you And like he said the meals in between do not have to be huge. most people who train naturally which I am assuming you do can absorb (If I remember right) about 30 -40 gm. of protein every 2.5 to 3 hrs so generally you want to eat based on that but like they said you must also factor in your fat carbs and target caloric intake for your goals whether it be to cut or bulk.You also may want to add a casein protein before bed because it enters the body slowly and will feed your muscles while you sleep.Remember most of these guys are not attacking you they want to help you or they would not reply at all. So welcome and good luck. Oh yea keep posting!

[lecznar1]

i know thats what i meant i was just gonna start doing more meals a day and smaller meals, up my protein, good carbs, and calorie intake.... that's what im gonna start doing thats why i thought we were past the diet plan, sorry for the misunderstanding

[pheonix765]

i never said anything about his diet being okay i said his protein intake was good. nothing else.

[under construction]

no problem Lecznar1 back to your original question imo your supps are fine just revamp your diet along the lines of what has been suggested get good sleep and train like an animal.That will pack on strength and mass.

[lecznar1]

alright thanx everyone for your help i reallly appreciate it