[eat2grow]

I will be starting this in a week

Animal Test
Superdrol
Animal Pump
AX Perfect Cycle

Along with the supports and basics but that is about it,. the SD will be a 4 week cycle while i will continue test for the specified 6 weeks. I will begin the PCT at the beginning of week 5 while the test should help keep the natural test high during the cycle. I know there are mixed feelings on stacking AA with AAS but this will be my 3rd stint on SD and i know it works. i just wanted to see its power with other products.

Should I take test for 2 weeks before SD and end them at the same time or start both the same time??

Thankls for your critiques negative and positive.

[rIPPDUP]

hey bud, your not to far from chris and i up there in erie. welcome to the dungeon first and foremost.

in regards to your stack: there are so many other products out there for test boosters that are better and less expensive. what superdrol clone are you taking? these really aren't aas. what are you taking for your pct?

[eat2grow]

im from around pburgh but a steeler hater sorry haha it is the real superdrol i had it before the bans came in i stocked up

[eat2grow]

i know there are cheaper but i have been an animal follower and i wanted to give it a try

[eat2grow]

i got mine for 65 a pop i know killer but i want to know hands on and then i can let you all know

[eat2grow]

i have novadex xt and xtreme pct for pct

[JakeVendetta]

first you should get a real serm for your PCT, but if you cant make sure you have something that will at least aid in restoring your HPTA function (trans-resveratrol). Superdrol and other PH's are still suppresive so should still be treated like an aas. I too am a PA boy, and welcome ;-)

[JakeVendetta]

also be careful with NO products on superdrol, it allready raises your BP, dont want to take any risks if you plan on being a long term user.

[T.O]

yeah get a serm for superdrol. Its very common to have delayed Gyno with this product.

[T.O]

great advice Jake

[JakeVendetta]

gyno.... yuck. Well unless you like bitch tits;-)

[eat2grow]

ill try my bst to get one are there oral ones available?

[eat2grow]

Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

first you should get a real serm for your PCT, but if you cant make sure you have something that will at least aid in restoring your HPTA function (trans-resveratrol). Superdrol and other PH's are still suppresive so should still be treated like an aas. I too am a PA boy, and welcome ;-)

what product do you suggest fir the HPTA restoration?

[BB_Crazy90]

Wait im confused are you saying that if you take too much test boosters then youll get boobs? lol like saggy ones? i thgink i have heard that before? like if you take the natural tribulus herb will that do anythinbg harmful to ur system?

[IronWarrior-07]

4 post in a row is bad, dont try to increase your post count this way.

[Bawls44]

Originally Posted by IronWarrior-07

4 post in a row is bad, dont try to increase your post count this way.

Agreed.

[JakeVendetta]

Yes most serms are oral. Are you looking to find one legally or illegally?

[T.O]

Originally Posted by BB_Crazy90

Wait im confused are you saying that if you take too much test boosters then youll get boobs? lol like saggy ones? i thgink i have heard that before? like if you take the natural tribulus herb will that do anythinbg harmful to ur system?

Hes taking superdrol. Thats not a test booster its a PH/Steroid. It has a lot of feed back from people experienceing delayed Gyno 2-3 months after PCT. So be careful.

[BB_Crazy90]

im saying will test boosters give you gyno or whatever that is, please explain

[eat2grow]

sorry about the posts fellas i dont care about the number i just kept thinking of things that may help you all in our discussion

legal or illegal let me know which ones are oral so i can get them. thanks you guys have been a great help

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by BB_Crazy90

im saying will test boosters give you gyno or whatever that is, please explain

There are lots of drugs that are considered "test boosters"
Even PCT drugs are "test boosters" in extent. For instance Formadrol is supposed to help your body block estrogen production and naturally produce higher testostrone levels. Even tribulus is "supposed" to raise test levels by increasing your GnRH production and its also used in combination for PCT, or just as a cycle itself sometimes. These kinds will not have that effect.

Only the serious pro hormone types of drugs will cause this effect in your body. And of course the real gear

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by eat2grow

sorry about the posts fellas i dont care about the number i just kept thinking of things that may help you all in our discussion

There is an "edit" button on your post once youve created it if you need to add things youve forgotten.

[eat2grow]

i saw a post on another thread about all the pct dee which one ddo you prefer for sd?

[Bawls44]

Originally Posted by eat2grow

i saw a post on another thread about all the pct dee which one ddo you prefer for sd?

Check my new post all about pcts: http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...uide-post.html

[BB_Crazy90]

so if you take the tribulus herb in pill form it wont give you gyno? IM 17 and used tribulus before, its not strong at all but just wondering what it could do, and yes i know i really shouldnt have taken some lets not get into that lol i stopped taking it. Didnt do anything anyways. anyways will it?

[deeturnerjr72]

Originally Posted by BB_Crazy90

so if you take the tribulus herb in pill form it wont give you gyno? IM 17 and used tribulus before, its not strong at all but just wondering what it could do, and yes i know i really shouldnt have taken some lets not get into that lol i stopped taking it. Didnt do anything anyways. anyways will it?

I believe you are gonna be fine, LOL! Trib wont give you gyno. At least ive never heard of it doing so. Its just an herb that has an ingredient thats sort of like DHEA.

[BB_Crazy90]

well what will give you gyno? i thought that raising your testosterone will give you gyno? anjd trib raises it a little

[T.O]

Originally Posted by BB_Crazy90

im saying will test boosters give you gyno or whatever that is, please explain

I answered your question. I said hes taking superdrol which is not a test booster therefore a testbooster is not what I was refering to when warning about Gyno right?

[Thomas_Rivera]

Physiologic gynecomastia occurs in neonates, at or before puberty and with aging. Many cases of gynecomastia are idiopathic, meaning they have no clear cause. Potential pathologic causes of gynecomastia are: medications including hormones, increased serum estrogen, decreased testosterone production, androgen receptor defects, chronic kidney disease, chronic liver disease, HIV,[5] and other chronic illness. Gynecomastia as a result of spinal cord injury and refeeding after starvation has been reported.[6] In 25% of cases, the cause of the gynecomastia is not known.

Medications cause 10-20% of cases of gynecomastia in post-adolescent adults. These include cimetidine, omeprazole, spironolactone, imatinib mesylate, finasteride and certain antipsychotics. Some act directly on the breast tissue, while others lead to increased secretion of prolactin from the pituitary by blocking the actions of dopamine (prolactin-inhibiting factor/PIF) on the lactotrope cell groups in the anterior pituitary. Androstenedione, used as a performance enhancing food supplement, can lead to breast enlargement by excess estrogen activity. Medications used in the treatment of prostate cancer, such as antiandrogens and GnRH analogs can also cause gynecomastia. Marijuana use is also thought by some to be a possible cause; however, published data is contradictory.[7]

Increased estrogen levels can also occur in certain testicular tumors, and in hyperthyroidism. Certain adrenal tumors cause elevated levels of androstenedione which is converted by the enzyme aromatase into estrone, a form of estrogen. Other tumors that secrete hCG can increase estrogen. A decrease in estrogen clearance can occur in liver disease, and this may be the mechanism of gynecomastia in liver cirrhosis. Obesity tends to increase estrogen levels.[8][9]

Decreased testosterone production can occur in congenital or acquired testicular failure, for example in genetic disorders such as Klinefelter Syndrome. Diseases of the hypothalamus or pituitary can also lead to low testosterone. Abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) has a similar effect. Mutations to androgen receptors, such as those found in Kennedy disease can also cause gynecomastia.

Although stopping these medications can lead to regression of the gynecomastia, surgery is sometimes necessary to eliminate the condition.

Repeated topical application of products containing lavender and tea tree oils among other unidentified ingredients to three prepubescent males coincided with gynecomastia; it has been theorised that this could be due to their estrogenic and antiandrogenic activity. However, other circumstances around the study are not clear, and the sample size was insignificant so serious scientific conclusions cannot be drawn.[10]

Gynecomastia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[T.O]

^^^ great post as always brotha