[MetalMX]

These are the current supplements im taking, Also im eating a lower carb higher protein & Fat diet while im cutting at the moment. Having a Decent carb rich meal pre-workout only.

what does everybody think? too many supplements? too much or not enough of some or others etc.

Which do people think are more useful then others as i cannot afford everything in the long run to use on a permanent basis?

Should i add creatine again? ive took a month off or more of using SizeOn by gaspari nutrition

Fish Oil - 6g a day or 1-2 TBSP Flax Oil for EFA's

Glutamine - 10g a day (5g morning, 5g night) - Workout days 15g (pre & postworkout) and before bed.

BCAA Powder - 5grams before workouts, 5 grams after workouts

Iron - 325mg tablet a day (i have low iron levels)

5 HTP - one tablet a day, it also has some other things included such as B6 this helps my mood, energy, sleep and with appetite control all which im having trouble with

Melatonin - three 3mg tablets before bed (i cant stay asleep i wake up at least 2-3 times and get hungry! this seems to be helping)

Milk Thistle - I have liver problems which run in my family (inflammed liver, leaking enzymes etc) this should be helping

Animal Pak Mega MultiVitamin - A pack of 11 tablets before workouts

Shock Therapy - Pre-workout NO supplement which i use pre-workout.

Any help is much appreciated :)

[Thomas_Rivera]

I think a few people will say to drop the NO and just use argenine. I think the animal pak vitamins are probably overkill, really expensive for whats just a suped up multivitamin.

[Freak]

Agree with what Thomas said. Is the iron prescribed? Just asking because you can die from iron toxicity fairly easy. Yes take creatine mono. There is no scientific basis for glutamine's effectiveness.

[Thomas_Rivera]

And I agree with the rest of what Freak said.

What does your diet look like? And how much fat are we talking about here? Are you trying to get on ketosis? Whats your macro nutrient breakdown for protein, carbs and fat?

[MetalMX]

No the iron isnt prescribed. I take one 325mg tablet of ferrous sulfate and my body has a hard time absorbing iron as well so... its no harm in terms of toxicity.

Yer i could drop the NO and just get arginine. Creatine i will use again because ive just finished cycling off it.

I don't count calories or macro's. My diet is basically 6-7 meals, morning & pre workout are my carb meals. The rest are comprised of protein & Fat. Also im not planning on going on a ketosis diet as i am taking T4 & Clen and they work better with some carbs from my experience.

[MetalMX]

Glutamine although not scientifically proven has worked for me i was roughly 108-110 kilos 3 weeks ago. Then i got sick could barely eat anything for 2 weeks i went down to 104 or 103kgs and i didnt lose any muscle while taking 10grams (5morning & 5 in the night) it has really helped in my experience.

[Freak]

How do you know that your body has a hard time absorbing iron?

[JakeVendetta]

I agree with the others, on droping the no product. Might want to consider taking your bcaa's half before your wo and the other 5 during, then whey immediately after your w/o. what kind of keto diet are you doin [cyclic, low carb(if so how many g/day)]. Might want to add CLA(around 10gs/day), up the fish oil (aim for 3gs combined epa/dha per day) the amount will depend on the amount of epa/dha in the fish oil your taking, and if you have the cash throw in some sesamin. Not sure about how many cals your taking in if under or at maintenance, if its under might want some form of cortisol control (lean xtreme, xlean, 7-keto), to help aid with the stress your adding to your body.

[JakeVendetta]

If your truely cutting, might want to lay of the creatine if its mono, to avoid bloat. Also i would reccomend that you move your carbs to pwo and your ppwo meal, their more important at these times to restore glycogen in your muscles, and to aid growth. Drop the iron, if your eating right you shouldnt need supplemental iron. Drop the flax oil, not as important as the other faty acids i mentioned, especially for cutting.

[Freak]

Keep creatine mono during cut!

Creatine on Cutting diet?

[JakeVendetta]

"A further complication of the uptake problem is "creatine bloat." Because creatine monohydrate needs insulin to get into muscle cells, if there isn't enough insulin available when the creatine is trying to get into muscle cells, it will just sit outside them. The creatine will pull water out of muscle cells and blood vessels, resulting in a bloating effect that can blur your muscularity." Got that from an online article somewhere not sure of the source. So according to this if he were to just add creatine to his current diet/supplement regimen, then the insulin spike would more then likly be depleted by the end of his workout.
I'm just thinking that if you do generally get bloat from it, if your going for the shreded look avoid it, but if you dont normally get bloated go for it. Creatine is a great staple, sorry for questioning its legitimacy.

[MetalMX]

I don't have any creatine at the moment but i plan on taking it even while on a cut because its guna keep my strength up, keep me volumised etc. The bloating isnt a problem and i personally dont mind it from the benefits im getting. I'll start taking the SizeOn capsules

Glutamine im not sure if i should take anymore, though a good product i want to be taking only whats necessary for me and not a million supplements which will leave me broke.

In regards to moving my carbs postworkout i have experiemented and have found that preworkout carbs are the best for me, when i do have them postworkout they only seem to be holding back my fat loss & muscle building efforts for some reason this is my personal opinion.

My entire family has low iron!!! ive also had a blood test done and i ALWAYS have low iron.

Ive started taking ZMA to help increase my test production (which is also low at 13 with the range being 12-38) it also might help me sleep better

Melatonin im taking but not sure if its helping me STAY asleep is the problem im having i wake up 3 times a night and i get hungry so i have to eat something this has been happening for the past year!!! Ive also heard 5HTP helps regulate sleep patterns and stop cravings.

Should i take Melatonin or 5HTP to help me stay asleep?

Im also taking Alpha Lipoic Acid before lunch and dinner and its awesome and
keeping cravings away.

ARGHHHH!!!! so many supplements i dont wana take all of em i need help!
Should i take Melatonin or 5HTP to help me STAY asleep?
What are your opinions on me taking ALA?

Thanks for the help so far guys, doctors these days are no help if anything their MAKING YOU MORE SICK its lucky we have forums like thes