[Tall HardGainer]

Hey guys, been a memeber here for a while but never really posted much, too many forums and I have been over on elitefitness for a while, time to change it up a bit and get some new advice. So here is the stack I am going to be doing come September, let me know your thoughts, and if you think I should add anything to it at all or not. It is going to be a 2 month stack.

G.E.T. SUS-500 (3-4 a day before workout)
IDS Sostenol 250 (original) 2 a day before workout)
MRI- NO2 Black 10 pills twice daily
Protein Factory-Vigor (4-6 before workout)
Gaspari Novadex XT (2-3pills)starting week 5
ON Protein (about 4 shakes daily)
IDS Smart Gainer post workout shake
Sport Daily Multi, fish-oil, flaxseed oil

After full stack is done, taking PROLiver to help clean my liver out.

All comments welcome, thanks guys.

The only issue I have with your stack is 2 things. IMO no2 black are a great product, but way overpriced. There are other No products that work just as well.

Second...On 100% whey is a great product, best there is. However, at 4 shakes a day, that is excessive. At the very most you should consume no more than 3 shakes a day to assist in your protein requirements. You should be getting your protein from food, not mostly from 4 servings of ON Whey.

Hope this helps.

Sorry I forgot another point i was thinking about. After re-reading up on Vigor, IMO it is not worth the money to add if you are already spending the money on NO2Black. If you know NO2Black works for you, use that. However it seems like an interesting product, and a hell of alot cheaper than NO2 Black. Possibly just try that, without the NO.

[Tall HardGainer]

Black is expensive, but I get a discount on it. I have used a lot of other products and black works the best by far. As far as the vigor goes, it works differently and promotes faster absorption of the product into the system and dialates the vessels more quickly allowing for a more immediater reaction from the vigor and then the black starts to kick in and give me the sustained release of NO to carry me though the rest of my workout and long enough to consume my weight gainer and shuttle the nutrients more quickly to the muscles in order to aid in recovery.

As far as the shakes go, I still eat about 4 meals a day, but since I weigh about 225 I need to consume a lot of protein in a day (over 300 grams) and since I work Part time and goto school fulltime shakes are my friend as of right now. I got to talk to a pro bodybuilder and he said I should try and get as much as I can from food, but when I explained what I was doing and why he said that I have nothing to worry about and that it was fine, and should give me good solid gains.

ok i see your well educated. i just wanted to make you aware of that, most guys think that shakes are the greatest thing and they can drink them all day. but it isnt the case.

and as long as you have the money and want to do it, use both no and vigor.

good luck.

[Tall HardGainer]

Thanks bro, I appreciate it.

BTW what is Team Cutler?

a while back we all started putting who we were pulling for in this years Olympia in our signatures. I'm hoping Cutler repeats, others disagree and want coleman. some like victor. and the list goes on.

feel free to put in who your pulling for.

[Beefcake]

And I'm post whoring to just say, I'm going for Team Coleman

post whore!!!

[T.O]

Hey bud isnt Sus-500 a prohormone. Therefore your taking 2 prohormones at once or technicly 4 prohormones at once because IDS is a combination of 3?

If so I wouldnt recomend it.

Everything else looks good for a cycle. What support supps are you taking. I personaly believe in taking milk thistle before and after a cycle but thats up to you.

[T.O]

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Im sorry I meant milk thistle during and after

[Tall HardGainer]

sus 500 is another supp. like sost250, which yes is 3 which is essentially halodrol50 pheraplex and superdrol. However sus500 uses completely different ingredients that mimic 3 other hormones (which I can't remember off the top of my head). When I consulted the guy I know at the nutrition store he informed me that it was actually a really good stack because the ingredients would not be working against each other and would net me some serious strength and size over the 2 month period. Technically its kind of taking 6 prohormones, but the thing to remember is that because it is a blend it is not as strong as the hormone by itself (one could only wish).

As far as the milk thistle, I take an equivalent but only after everything is out of my system in order to flush my liver, however if my liver starts to hurt I will take something for it because i know it needs some nutrients.

Is there anything else you would recommend adding to this stack?

[T.O]

Well the reason why I dont recomend it is because Blood test from back in the day showed that 10mg of superdrol and 10 mg of phera still had side effects. I remember reading logs where guys reducing there cycle to 10mg because of sides still finished with blood work that was harsh. No doubt that you will get good results but for what cost. Why push it when we know that the current prohormones are toxic. But that my opinion and if you go with the cycle please update me. I would like to follow along to learn and mabey give some advice.

FYI Dont listen to anyone at the store because they are a pro bodybuilder or seem reliable. Take information in but due a lot of research yourself. I have been in this industry for a while. I remember I went to a Max Muscle once and they have a prohormone by a company called ACL which are pretty dirty but give great results. He looked like a pro and gave the advice to some kid to just take the brande estrogen blocker for PCT which is bad advice. You should always consider a serm and if you absolutley can not get one then you have to plan your over the counter PCT blocking all threats. Estrogen/Cortisol/ And a good testbooster/And DHEA but the new retain by AX has it included.

The only other supps I would add is for support.
Protect the heart- fishoil
Hawthorne Berry
Red yiest rice
coq10

Prostate- Saw Palmetto ( why take the chance. Superdrol and its clones have been known to cause inflamed prostates)
Another valuable supp for getting rid of the bad Toxins is Alpha Lipoic Acid.

Seems like overkill but unless someone can show me blood work without taking all of these precautions and are all level than why take the chance. I have been following Superdrol since it first came out.

Good luck bro. Are you going to log it?

[Tall HardGainer]

I will try and log it, I have taken the others in the past and have not experienced any side effects (all the original formulas when they came out, not the "New and Improved" crap. I never take someone's word on it, I always do my research. Right now my strength is not where it used to be a year ago because I damaged my shoulder a bit, so this will hopefully get me back up a lot higher. I know my body and I know if something is wrong mid stack, and if thats the case I will drop it, but last time I did a stack (Halodrol 50, Orastan E, novadex xt, nitrix and some vitamins and such) I actually got blood work done and my liver was completely fine, I had no side effects and my levels were normal (well test. was high but that was to be expected from the supplement) I will try and log for everyone come September.

[T.O]

Yeah but theres a lot of other things you have to look at. Did you check cholestral levels. Every prohormone effects your cholestrol and including blood preassure Haldrol 50 and Orastane E are not even close to the degree of superdrol and phera. But Ill take your word that you know what your doing.

Just make sure to get blood work done before and after because Im telling you these are going to be harsh. You can post your blood work here if you need any help.

Why did you take Nolvadex XT during your cycle, or did you take it after?

Other then that just let me know when you post the log and I will subscribe.

[Tall HardGainer]

I took it starting week 5 on a 6 week cycle in order to get my nat. test levels up in order to prevent a dip in my test levels and elevating my estrogen too much (damn gynod). I have taken the sostenol 250 before with great results, and the blood work came back fine, everthing in a very good level, nothing wrong.

I did have my chlorestrol checked and it was very good I was told, so I thought nothing of it.

I definately appreciate your input on this, I will let you know when I start my log.

Adding to your reps. for all the great help.

[T.O]

No problem bro. Thanks for the reps and I look forward to your cycle.

[eat2grow]

news on cycle?