Members
 Register


Rules | Groups | Arcade | Members List

 
Go Back   Bodybuilding Dungeon > Bodybuilding > Supplements
 

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Strange Supplements
Old 06-04-2007, 07:03 AM   #1
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

Well i just found this article and was wondering if anyone in here has heard of most of these things.

Every bodybuilder's list of favorite supplements for mass includes the usual suspects: creatine, whey protein, arginine, glutamine and branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs). If you're more supplement savvy, your list may also include carnitine, beta-ecdysterone, tribulus terrestris and carnosine. But have you ever considered the B vitamin folate, which is important for fetal development in pregnant women? What about melatonin, the supplement that has helped millions of people sleep better? On the surface, these products don't seem to offer much in the mass-building department. Yet upon further investigation, you'd be surprised to learn how they can help you get closer to your muscle-building goals. Read on to learn about 10 supplements you should take that you probably never even thought could help you build muscle.

VITAMIN D
Maybe your mom takes Vitamin D for its bone-building benefits. After all, you probably know it helps increase calcium absorption from foods and supplements. But we bet you didn't know that muscle fibers actually have Vitamin D receptors and that the vitamin helps you grow bigger and stronger. Research shows that certain Vitamin D receptors are associated with greater leg strength and grip strength, and when Vitamin D interacts with these receptors, it activates genes that can increase muscle growth and strength.

Although there are two types of Vitamin D - D2 (ergocalciferol) and D3 (cholecalciferol) - and both are converted in the body to the active form of Vitamin D, or 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, the more potent form of the vitamin has been shown to be D3.

>> How to take it: To maximize the interaction of Vitamin D with your muscle Vitamin D receptors, supplement with 1,000 IU of Vitamin D3 once or twice a day with food.

FOLATE
Whether you've been an expectant dad or not, you've likely heard that pregnant women need the B vitamin folate. But what does a prenatal vitamin have to do with bodybuilding? Plenty. Actually, it makes perfect sense that a supplement that supports normal fetal growth could also support growth of muscle fibers. Folate is critical for the production and maintenance of new cells. And wouldn't you know it, one of the ways muscles grow is by replacing damaged muscle cells with new muscle cells called satellite cells. Not only that, but these new cells grow larger and stronger than the old cells. Folate is also required to make DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) and RNA (ribonucleic acid), and lifting weights signals the DNA in muscle-cell nuclei to increase muscle protein synthesis via a special type of messenger RNA that sends the signal to produce more muscle protein. Folate also plays a role in converting arginine to nitric oxide (NO) in the body, which helps to further increase muscle strength and size. Folate is the natural form of this B vitamin found in foods, while folic acid is the synthetic form of folate that's added to numerous supplements and fortified foods. In the body, both forms get converted to the active form, L-methylfolate.

>> How to take it: Although it's best to take about 400-800 mcg of L-methylfolate 2-3 times a day, you can also obtain good results from the same dose of folic acid. If you take arginine or an NO-boosting supplement, take either form of folate at the same times as your arginine.

PYCNOGENOL
This extract from the French maritime pine tree is usually taken for heart health, but if you use NO products, you should be familiar with pycnogenol. In the body, arginine is converted to NO, which enhances muscle pumps, muscle strength and growth. But the reaction that converts arginine to NO requires the enzyme nitric oxide synthase (NOS). If not enough of the NOS enzyme is activated, then the amount of NO produced will be low. Human research has shown that pycnogenol can boost NOS activity, thus increasing NO levels.

>> How to take it: Take 50-100 mg along with an arginine supplement 30-60 minutes before workouts.

THEANINE
Theanine is the amino acid found in tea leaves that adds flavor and promotes mental and physical relaxation. A modified version of glutamine, it promotes relaxation by boosting levels of an inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain known as gamma-amino-butyric acid (GABA). Taking theanine at bedtime can enhance muscle growth by helping you get a better night's sleep and because GABA can increase growth hormone (GH) release from the pituitary gland, where GH is produced.

>> How to take it: Take about 50-200 mg of theanine about 30-60 minutes before bed to further spike GH levels during sleep for greater muscle gains.

VITEX AGNUS CASTUS
Also known as the chaste tree, this plant is used medicinally for its fruit, the chasteberry, a supplement that can ease your girlfriend's PMS symptoms. So how can a female product help a man? Pretty much the same way it helps women. Vitex agnus castus contains the active compounds known as agnosides that work to reduce estrogen levels and boost luteinizing hormone (LH) levels. In males, this can lead to a dramatic increase in testosterone.

>> How to take it: Supplement with about 200-400 mg of vitex agnus castus or chasteberry extract immediately before bed. Take it in 6-8-week cycles, then lay off for about four weeks before starting the next cycle.

MELATONIN
Sure, you've heard of melatonin. You probably know it's a great sleep aid, and you may even know of its antioxidant properties. But this supplement can also help boost your GH levels. A recent study from Baylor University (Waco, Texas) found that trained males given 5 mg of melatonin one hour before a leg workout had higher GH levels just before and after they trained than those taking a placebo. Even test subjects who took just 0.5 mg of melatonin had higher GH levels postworkout. Taking melatonin one hour before training can boost your GH levels and provide antioxidant protection that can help your muscles recover. Worried that taking melatonin during the day will make you sleepy? You can rest easy (pun intended): Research conducted at Liverpool John Moores University shows that when melatonin was taken within 75 minutes before exercise, athletes exhibited neither increased sleepiness nor decreased levels of alertness.

>> How to take it: To boost GH levels during training sessions and aid recovery, take 0.5-5 mg of melatonin 30-60 minutes before your workouts.

SAFED MUSLI
This Indian plant and its tuberous roots have been used for centuries in Ayurvedic medicine, an ancient Hindu science, to treat such conditions as high cholesterol, diabetes and arthritis. Recent discovery of its effects on testosterone via the saponins it contains - stigmasterol and hecogenin - has made it a must-have ingredient in bodybuilding supplements. Stigmasterol is very similar in structure to testosterone and is believed to attach to the specific receptors in the body that testosterone binds to, thereby causing an effect like that of testosterone. Hecogenin can be converted to compounds whose structures resemble that of testosterone and also have similar effects in the body.

>> How to take it: Take 200-400 mg of safed musli extract 2-3 times per day with food, with one dose about 30-60 minutes before workouts. Cycle safed musli for 6-8 weeks and take about four weeks off before cycling it again.

STINGING NETTLE ROOT
Also known as urtica dioica, stinging nettle root is a type of nettle that predominantly grows in South America. Your dad or grandfather may take it to relieve symptoms of his enlarged prostate and to reduce his blood pressure. But even young guys can benefit from using this supplement - stinging nettle root can help to naturally boost testosterone levels by keeping the testosterone molecule free from a carrier protein known as sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). While SHBG helps testosterone stay in the blood longer, it also prevents it from binding with its specific receptors in muscle cells. By freeing up testosterone from SHBG, you'll experience higher levels of free testosterone in the body, which can induce muscle growth. Stinging nettle root also helps boost T levels by preventing its conversion to dihydrotestosterone. While testosterone has anabolic effects in muscle cells, dihydrotestosterone has negative effects such as prostate growth. Preventing this conversion by adding stinging nettle root to your supplement regimen means you'll have more anabolic testosterone available.

>> How to take it: Go with 100-500 mg of stinging nettle root extract 2-3 times per day on an empty stomach.

AVENA SATIVA
It may sound like the name of a fancy herb, but avena sativa is simply the scientific term for oats. Taking an avena sativa extract, however, isn't at all like enjoying a hot bowl of oatmeal. Avenocosides, the active components in oats that are similar to the testosterone-boosting saponins in the herb tribulus terrestris, help increase the release of LH from the pituitary gland in the brain, which in turn influences the testicles to produce more testosterone.

>> How to take it: Look for products that supply about 100-300 mg of a 10:1 avena sativa extract. Take one dose of this extract 2-3 times per day with one of those doses about 30-60 minutes before workouts. As with vitex agnus castus, take avena sativa products in 6-8-week cycles with four weeks of downtime between each cycle.

ROYAL JELLY
Produced by glands in the heads of worker bees, royal jelly is fed to larvae and the queen bee. We know what you're thinking: a) that sounds pretty nasty, and b) what can bee food do for bodybuilders? While we can't debate you on the first one, there's plenty that royal jelly can do for you. It's very high in protein and other nutrients, including the B vitamins and vitamins A, C, D and E, as well as 10-HDA (10-hydroxy-2-decenoic acid), a special unsaturated fatty acid. Although little human research has been done, anecdotal reports suggest royal jelly is effective at increasing energy and reducing fatigue. To support this, a 2001 animal study published in the Journal of Nutritional Science and Vitaminology found that royal jelly supplementation prevented fatigue during intense exercise by decreasing the accumulation of lactic acid. This has great implications for bodybuilders, as lactic acid buildup results in the burning you feel at the end of a tough set and is one of the reasons you fatigue. Your best bet is to go with freeze-dried royal jelly products due to the high percentage of water in royal jelly.

>> How to take it: Take about 1,000 mg of royal jelly about 30 minutes before workouts to reduce lactic-acid levels and fatigue, allowing you to pump out more reps on more sets for greater muscle growth. M&F
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!




View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
    
 
Old 06-04-2007, 09:41 AM   #2
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

so how, or why are these supps strange to you???
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 09:53 AM   #3
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

i only think they are strange because they are not the typical supps you associate with bodybuilding, and iv never heard of most of them before
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 09:55 AM   #4
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

ok i got you...but you can say the same thing about prostate pills & milk thistle in bbding...but yeah i see what you're saying bro
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 10:12 AM   #5
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

i see what your saying too.... just wondering if anybody has heard or even tried some of these supps
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 10:26 AM   #6
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

IVE HEARD OF ALL THEM^^^...iv had nettle root, melatonin, royal jelly & some sort of theanine...
i currently take vit d.
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 10:51 AM   #7
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

that makes me feel stupid then.... they were all new to me.
One of the supplements that looks quite interesting is the nettle root, do you think its a good supp lbj??
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 12:41 PM   #8
The Missing Link

 
Sparky_dustin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Age: 27
Posts: 2,702
Rep Power: 349Sparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond reputeSparky_dustin has a reputation beyond repute

Sparky_dustin is offline
  Reply With Quote

Shouldn't feel stupid, we all have to learn about them at some point in our life. I hadn't heard of half of those, until now, thx for the post.
__________________
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Sparky_dustin Find More Posts by Sparky_dustin
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 02:02 PM   #9
IFBB Lightweight

 
Half Second's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Diego
Age: 24
Posts: 1,107
Rep Power: 83Half Second is a name known to allHalf Second is a name known to all

Half Second is offline
  Reply With Quote

i started using Melatonin preWO after originally reading that article. You don't notice anything different while working out obviously, but I think the claims about it are substantiated enough to believe. It's true that you won't get sleepy while working out too. I'd say it's worth giving a shot, it's just one extra pill to take. Some advice tho if you're thinking about it, use the pill form and stay away from the type that you let dissolve in your mouth, it'll knock you out before you get to the gym
__________________

Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend.

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...ghlight=rowing
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Half Second Find More Posts by Half Second
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 02:34 PM   #10
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

thanks bro^^^^^ and sparky. bodybuilding is a continuous learning curve so i guess there will always be things that people don't know
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 02:59 PM   #11
Moderator

 
Freak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Iowa
Age: 24
Posts: 10,351
Rep Power: 955Freak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond repute

Freak is offline
  Reply With Quote

All of those supplements are stupid if you ask me. LBJ why in the world are you taking vit. D? 10min/day in the sun and you are good to go. + it is usually added in milk + it's a fat soluble vitamin so becoming deficient is pretty hard.

The AI (adequate intake) is 5 micrograms/day.

The Upper Level is 50 micrograms/day. You don't want to end up with hypervitaminosis D where you start getting calcification of soft tissues.
__________________
Success is contagious! http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec...nce/sci-happy5

Be the change you want to see in the world. - Gandhi

Push beyond what you think is possible.

Bodybuilding: The science of hacking the human body.

Focus - obstacles are those frightful things you see when you fail to focus on your goals.

When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. -George Fisher

It's only steroids, not magic! -Gringo
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Freak Find More Posts by Freak
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 06:32 PM   #12
Summoner of the Giant Spider

 
Thomas_Rivera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New York City
Age: 21
Posts: 6,834
Rep Power: 583Thomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond reputeThomas_Rivera has a reputation beyond repute

Thomas_Rivera is online now
  Reply With Quote

There are alot of supplements that bodybuilders don't need to take. Usually a complete diet will take care of just about every single thing that you can think of.
__________________

Team BRoLiC


http://wolfmantom.blogspot.com/ My keto diet blog and my soon to be MMA training blog
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Thomas_Rivera Find More Posts by Thomas_Rivera
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 06:59 PM   #13
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by thefreak350 View Post
All of those supplements are stupid if you ask me. LBJ why in the world are you taking vit. D? 10min/day in the sun and you are good to go. + it is usually added in milk + it's a fat soluble vitamin so becoming deficient is pretty hard.

The AI (adequate intake) is 5 micrograms/day.

The Upper Level is 50 micrograms/day. You don't want to end up with hypervitaminosis D where you start getting calcification of soft tissues.
i thought id start taking it...i didnt know the technicalaties to it, i lady from the health store a few weeks ago asked me if i tried any, & said that it's quite benifitial to muscle building...i thought id give it a go...

but thx for pointing that out freak...next month it's a miss on vit d
but SUN in LONDON...have you ever heard of the beautiful british weathers??? haha. u make me laugh.
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 07:01 PM   #14
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by yes_man_123 View Post
that makes me feel stupid then.... they were all new to me.
One of the supplements that looks quite interesting is the nettle root, do you think its a good supp lbj??
nettle root makes you horrrrrny...
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 07:29 PM   #15
Moderator

 
Freak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Iowa
Age: 24
Posts: 10,351
Rep Power: 955Freak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond repute

Freak is offline
  Reply With Quote

I wasn't referring to the weather in London just pointing out you don't even need it in food form if you get any sun.
__________________
Success is contagious! http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec...nce/sci-happy5

Be the change you want to see in the world. - Gandhi

Push beyond what you think is possible.

Bodybuilding: The science of hacking the human body.

Focus - obstacles are those frightful things you see when you fail to focus on your goals.

When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. -George Fisher

It's only steroids, not magic! -Gringo
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Freak Find More Posts by Freak
 
 
Old 06-04-2007, 10:13 PM   #16
V.I.P. Member

 
cook82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: L.A
Age: 27
Posts: 1,239
Rep Power: 169cook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud of

cook82 is offline
  Reply With Quote

I take MELATONIN daily
__________________
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to cook82 Find More Posts by cook82
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 05:55 AM   #17
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

but the weather in England is ****e!
__________________



Team Johnnie Jackson / Pretty Boys

My Log (DC Training) http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...oad-200-a.html


www.crown-supplements.com
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 01:10 PM   #18
Rage Against The Machine

 
kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: leicestershire,england
Age: 18
Posts: 5,648
Rep Power: 495kenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond repute

kenney is offline
  Reply With Quote

lol dont worry about it bro, i havent heard of a few of them. i wouldnt bother with any, the only supps that i would reach out for are whey,casein,creatine and maybe bcaa's...unless im trying to get rid of fat
__________________
Our Youth Must Always Be Free, Discussing And Exhanging Ideas Concerned With What Is Happening Throughout The Entire World - Che Guevara

One Day, Someone Showed Me A Glass Of Water That Was Half Full And He Said, "Is It Half Full Or Half Empty?" So I Drank The Water. No More Problem. - Alexander Jodorowsky
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to kenney Find More Posts by kenney
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 02:15 PM   #19
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by thefreak350 View Post
I wasn't referring to the weather in London just pointing out you don't even need it in food form if you get any sun.
i know you weren't freak
i just wanted to state how poor the beautiful british wheathers are
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 02:16 PM   #20
Moderator

 
Freak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Iowa
Age: 24
Posts: 10,351
Rep Power: 955Freak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond repute

Freak is offline
  Reply With Quote

I didn't know you have bad weather in London. What makes it suck?
__________________
Success is contagious! http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec...nce/sci-happy5

Be the change you want to see in the world. - Gandhi

Push beyond what you think is possible.

Bodybuilding: The science of hacking the human body.

Focus - obstacles are those frightful things you see when you fail to focus on your goals.

When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. -George Fisher

It's only steroids, not magic! -Gringo
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Freak Find More Posts by Freak
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 02:23 PM   #21
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

when it's hot, it's too humid & muggy...when it's cold it's freezing...when it rains IT RAINS...we dont get snow, we get slush...in summer the UK is nice but the humidity kills you, NO BREEZE...

when i go into central london, sometimes i don't drive, its like 125degrees in the tube, it's not nice sharing a train with sweaty ppl...the main thing that pisses me off bout the summers in london is the public transport
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 05:03 PM   #22
V.I.P. Member

 
cook82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: L.A
Age: 27
Posts: 1,239
Rep Power: 169cook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud ofcook82 has much to be proud of

cook82 is offline
  Reply With Quote

wow that sucks!!!! I live in souther california the weather is amazing all year long when its hot it gets HOT! but 0% humidity...And I dont think I have ever taken public transportation. Its pretty much non existent besides buses here. Im just ****ing with you LBJ
__________________
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to cook82 Find More Posts by cook82
 
 
Old 06-05-2007, 06:41 PM   #23
LBJ - Gear MoD

 
lil_big_junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Age: 24
Posts: 9,487
Rep Power: 686lil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond reputelil_big_junior has a reputation beyond repute

lil_big_junior is offline
  Reply With Quote

lol^^^thx bro
__________________
Bodybuiding isn't just to look good for the summer, it's life long dedication, drive, commitment & heart...there's no such thing as a retired bbder - me


WITH
TEAM BIG PAY CHECK

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...-complete.html

5'8"
Currently: 259lbs 15%bf

Squat : 630lbs X5
Deadlift : 600lbs X8
Bench : 530lbs X1 (Raw, SMITH)
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to lil_big_junior Visit lil_big_junior's homepage! Find More Posts by lil_big_junior
 
 
Old 06-06-2007, 06:43 AM   #24
Rage Against The Machine

 
kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: leicestershire,england
Age: 18
Posts: 5,648
Rep Power: 495kenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond reputekenney has a reputation beyond repute

kenney is offline
  Reply With Quote

it makes me laugh cuz the British ALWAYS maon about the weather, in the winter they say its too cold, in the summer its too hot and 'stuffy' lol i just put up with it
__________________
Our Youth Must Always Be Free, Discussing And Exhanging Ideas Concerned With What Is Happening Throughout The Entire World - Che Guevara

One Day, Someone Showed Me A Glass Of Water That Was Half Full And He Said, "Is It Half Full Or Half Empty?" So I Drank The Water. No More Problem. - Alexander Jodorowsky
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to kenney Find More Posts by kenney
 
 
Old 06-06-2007, 09:23 AM   #25
Very Important Person

 
YM123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,104
Rep Power: 152YM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to beholdYM123 is a splendid one to behold

YM123 is offline
  Reply With Quote

the summers are alright here in England but they only last a week... so thats ****
__________________



Team Johnnie Jackson / Pretty Boys

My Log (DC Training) http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...oad-200-a.html


www.crown-supplements.com
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to YM123 Find More Posts by YM123
 
 
Old 06-07-2007, 10:01 PM   #26
NPC Lightweight

 
USCfb11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: cola, sc
Posts: 119
Rep Power: 9USCfb11 will become famous soon enough

USCfb11 is offline
  Reply With Quote

has anyone ever been to south carolina? it basically matches the description of the uk, cept we dont get winter....ever....
__________________
"That is one insane human being" -coach jackson

"Sooo, can i touch it?...(rolls eyes), NO I mean your arm!!"- random hot girl at gym

"GET IT BIGGIN"-coach cowen

Mr.USC (college comp.) April 5th
Spring '08-possible INBF comp in Dayton Ohio
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to USCfb11 Find More Posts by USCfb11
 
 
Old 06-09-2007, 12:33 AM   #27
NPC Super Heavyweight

 
IronWarrior-07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 572
Rep Power: 9IronWarrior-07 is on a distinguished road

IronWarrior-07 is offline
  Reply With Quote

Quote:
Originally Posted by yes_man_123 View Post
Well i just found this article and was wondering if anyone in here has heard of most of these things.

Every bodybuilder's list of favorite supplements for mass includes the usual suspects: creatine, whey protein, arginine, glutamine and branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs). If you're more supplement savvy, your list may also include carnitine, beta-ecdysterone, tribulus terrestris and carnosine. But have you ever considered the B vitamin folate, which is important for fetal development in pregnant women? What about melatonin, the supplement that has helped millions of people sleep better? On the surface, these products don't seem to offer much in the mass-building department. Yet upon further investigation, you'd be surprised to learn how they can help you get closer to your muscle-building goals. Read on to learn about 10 supplements you should take that you probably never even thought could help you build muscle.

VITAMIN D
Maybe your mom takes Vitamin D for its bone-building benefits. After all, you probably know it helps increase calcium absorption from foods and supplements. But we bet you didn't know that muscle fibers actually have Vitamin D receptors and that the vitamin helps you grow bigger and stronger. Research shows that certain Vitamin D receptors are associated with greater leg strength and grip strength, and when Vitamin D interacts with these receptors, it activates genes that can increase muscle growth and strength.

Although there are two types of Vitamin D - D2 (ergocalciferol) and D3 (cholecalciferol) - and both are converted in the body to the active form of Vitamin D, or 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, the more potent form of the vitamin has been shown to be D3.

>> How to take it: To maximize the interaction of Vitamin D with your muscle Vitamin D receptors, supplement with 1,000 IU of Vitamin D3 once or twice a day with food.

FOLATE
Whether you've been an expectant dad or not, you've likely heard that pregnant women need the B vitamin folate. But what does a prenatal vitamin have to do with bodybuilding? Plenty. Actually, it makes perfect sense that a supplement that supports normal fetal growth could also support growth of muscle fibers. Folate is critical for the production and maintenance of new cells. And wouldn't you know it, one of the ways muscles grow is by replacing damaged muscle cells with new muscle cells called satellite cells. Not only that, but these new cells grow larger and stronger than the old cells. Folate is also required to make DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) and RNA (ribonucleic acid), and lifting weights signals the DNA in muscle-cell nuclei to increase muscle protein synthesis via a special type of messenger RNA that sends the signal to produce more muscle protein. Folate also plays a role in converting arginine to nitric oxide (NO) in the body, which helps to further increase muscle strength and size. Folate is the natural form of this B vitamin found in foods, while folic acid is the synthetic form of folate that's added to numerous supplements and fortified foods. In the body, both forms get converted to the active form, L-methylfolate.

>> How to take it: Although it's best to take about 400-800 mcg of L-methylfolate 2-3 times a day, you can also obtain good results from the same dose of folic acid. If you take arginine or an NO-boosting supplement, take either form of folate at the same times as your arginine.

PYCNOGENOL
This extract from the French maritime pine tree is usually taken for heart health, but if you use NO products, you should be familiar with pycnogenol. In the body, arginine is converted to NO, which enhances muscle pumps, muscle strength and growth. But the reaction that converts arginine to NO requires the enzyme nitric oxide synthase (NOS). If not enough of the NOS enzyme is activated, then the amount of NO produced will be low. Human research has shown that pycnogenol can boost NOS activity, thus increasing NO levels.

>> How to take it: Take 50-100 mg along with an arginine supplement 30-60 minutes before workouts.

THEANINE
Theanine is the amino acid found in tea leaves that adds flavor and promotes mental and physical relaxation. A modified version of glutamine, it promotes relaxation by boosting levels of an inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain known as gamma-amino-butyric acid (GABA). Taking theanine at bedtime can enhance muscle growth by helping you get a better night's sleep and because GABA can increase growth hormone (GH) release from the pituitary gland, where GH is produced.

>> How to take it: Take about 50-200 mg of theanine about 30-60 minutes before bed to further spike GH levels during sleep for greater muscle gains.

VITEX AGNUS CASTUS
Also known as the chaste tree, this plant is used medicinally for its fruit, the chasteberry, a supplement that can ease your girlfriend's PMS symptoms. So how can a female product help a man? Pretty much the same way it helps women. Vitex agnus castus contains the active compounds known as agnosides that work to reduce estrogen levels and boost luteinizing hormone (LH) levels. In males, this can lead to a dramatic increase in testosterone.

>> How to take it: Supplement with about 200-400 mg of vitex agnus castus or chasteberry extract immediately before bed. Take it in 6-8-week cycles, then lay off for about four weeks before starting the next cycle.

MELATONIN
Sure, you've heard of melatonin. You probably know it's a great sleep aid, and you may even know of its antioxidant properties. But this supplement can also help boost your GH levels. A recent study from Baylor University (Waco, Texas) found that trained males given 5 mg of melatonin one hour before a leg workout had higher GH levels just before and after they trained than those taking a placebo. Even test subjects who took just 0.5 mg of melatonin had higher GH levels postworkout. Taking melatonin one hour before training can boost your GH levels and provide antioxidant protection that can help your muscles recover. Worried that taking melatonin during the day will make you sleepy? You can rest easy (pun intended): Research conducted at Liverpool John Moores University shows that when melatonin was taken within 75 minutes before exercise, athletes exhibited neither increased sleepiness nor decreased levels of alertness.

>> How to take it: To boost GH levels during training sessions and aid recovery, take 0.5-5 mg of melatonin 30-60 minutes before your workouts.

SAFED MUSLI
This Indian plant and its tuberous roots have been used for centuries in Ayurvedic medicine, an ancient Hindu science, to treat such conditions as high cholesterol, diabetes and arthritis. Recent discovery of its effects on testosterone via the saponins it contains - stigmasterol and hecogenin - has made it a must-have ingredient in bodybuilding supplements. Stigmasterol is very similar in structure to testosterone and is believed to attach to the specific receptors in the body that testosterone binds to, thereby causing an effect like that of testosterone. Hecogenin can be converted to compounds whose structures resemble that of testosterone and also have similar effects in the body.

>> How to take it: Take 200-400 mg of safed musli extract 2-3 times per day with food, with one dose about 30-60 minutes before workouts. Cycle safed musli for 6-8 weeks and take about four weeks off before cycling it again.

STINGING NETTLE ROOT
Also known as urtica dioica, stinging nettle root is a type of nettle that predominantly grows in South America. Your dad or grandfather may take it to relieve symptoms of his enlarged prostate and to reduce his blood pressure. But even young guys can benefit from using this supplement - stinging nettle root can help to naturally boost testosterone levels by keeping the testosterone molecule free from a carrier protein known as sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). While SHBG helps testosterone stay in the blood longer, it also prevents it from binding with its specific receptors in muscle cells. By freeing up testosterone from SHBG, you'll experience higher levels of free testosterone in the body, which can induce muscle growth. Stinging nettle root also helps boost T levels by preventing its conversion to dihydrotestosterone. While testosterone has anabolic effects in muscle cells, dihydrotestosterone has negative effects such as prostate growth. Preventing this conversion by adding stinging nettle root to your supplement regimen means you'll have more anabolic testosterone available.

>> How to take it: Go with 100-500 mg of stinging nettle root extract 2-3 times per day on an empty stomach.

AVENA SATIVA
It may sound like the name of a fancy herb, but avena sativa is simply the scientific term for oats. Taking an avena sativa extract, however, isn't at all like enjoying a hot bowl of oatmeal. Avenocosides, the active components in oats that are similar to the testosterone-boosting saponins in the herb tribulus terrestris, help increase the release of LH from the pituitary gland in the brain, which in turn influences the testicles to produce more testosterone.

>> How to take it: Look for products that supply about 100-300 mg of a 10:1 avena sativa extract. Take one dose of this extract 2-3 times per day with one of those doses about 30-60 minutes before workouts. As with vitex agnus castus, take avena sativa products in 6-8-week cycles with four weeks of downtime between each cycle.

ROYAL JELLY
Produced by glands in the heads of worker bees, royal jelly is fed to larvae and the queen bee. We know what you're thinking: a) that sounds pretty nasty, and b) what can bee food do for bodybuilders? While we can't debate you on the first one, there's plenty that royal jelly can do for you. It's very high in protein and other nutrients, including the B vitamins and vitamins A, C, D and E, as well as 10-HDA (10-hydroxy-2-decenoic acid), a special unsaturated fatty acid. Although little human research has been done, anecdotal reports suggest royal jelly is effective at increasing energy and reducing fatigue. To support this, a 2001 animal study published in the Journal of Nutritional Science and Vitaminology found that royal jelly supplementation prevented fatigue during intense exercise by decreasing the accumulation of lactic acid. This has great implications for bodybuilders, as lactic acid buildup results in the burning you feel at the end of a tough set and is one of the reasons you fatigue. Your best bet is to go with freeze-dried royal jelly products due to the high percentage of water in royal jelly.

>> How to take it: Take about 1,000 mg of royal jelly about 30 minutes before workouts to reduce lactic-acid levels and fatigue, allowing you to pump out more reps on more sets for greater muscle growth. M&F
lol nice copy paste, but make sure you get their permission from M&F otherwise your can go to jail for a long time and pay huge fines. Just to let you know.
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to IronWarrior-07 Find More Posts by IronWarrior-07
 
 
Old 06-09-2007, 05:11 PM   #28
Moderator

 
Freak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Iowa
Age: 24
Posts: 10,351
Rep Power: 955Freak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond reputeFreak has a reputation beyond repute

Freak is offline
  Reply With Quote

Or just post the link to give them credit. I doubt they will care if it is not used for commercial or academic purposes.
__________________
Success is contagious! http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec...nce/sci-happy5

Be the change you want to see in the world. - Gandhi

Push beyond what you think is possible.

Bodybuilding: The science of hacking the human body.

Focus - obstacles are those frightful things you see when you fail to focus on your goals.

When you aim for perfection, you discover it's a moving target. -George Fisher

It's only steroids, not magic! -Gringo
 
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!

View Public Profile Send a private message to Freak Find More Posts by Freak
 
 
 

Reply

« Which one is better | Weight Gainer »

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:30 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.