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Old 05-15-2007, 08:20 PM   #1
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I Wanna take one of these supplements, but I'm not sure whcih one. Granted i'm on cellmass so no-explode would make more sense, but i feel as though no-xplode is a bit over the top strong and somewhat dangerous. any opinions....
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Don't waste your money on the supplement industry's newest hype product. It's a waste of money and unsafe. Here's a good article I found which has valid sources. If you want a good pump in gym have a balance of good carbs like brown rice and oats and train hard.

"Nitric oxide supplements are the hottest thing on the market. Athletes are buying them in droves without knowing exactly what is happening in the body. Supplement companies claim to educate their consumers with pamphlets and informational websites, but these only offer an incomplete story of what is actually happening. Manufacturers state that nitric oxide supplements, via the compound arginine alpha-ketoglutarate, gives the athlete added energy, mental focus, workout intensity, perpetual pump and muscle growth. Upon closer investigation, these effects are largely exaggerated and in some cases completely fallacious. While arginine is involved in the regulation of growth hormone release, the supplemental dosages that would stimulate a noticeable effect are astronomical. Arginine is also a substrate for nitric oxide; an effect that is enhanced when combined with alpha-ketoglutarate. Nitric oxide is released by the walls of the blood vessels that cause a decrease in the resistance and an increase in blood flow to the skeletal muscles. Arginine may also stimulate the release of epinephrine from the adrenal gland. These two effects are mostly beneficial to endurance athletes, not strength athletes like the manufacturers suggest. Grasemann et al. (2005) determined that participants receiving as little as 200 mg of L-arginine showed a significant increase in nitric oxide formation, as well as significant increases in plasma L-arginine and sputum L-arginine. This indicates that L-arginine supplementation does indeed induce nitric oxide formation. Rytlewski et al. (2005) found that three weeks of L-arginine supplementation lead to significant drops in systolic blood pressure, diastolic blood pressure, and mean arteriole pressure while elevating urinary excretion of NOx (nitrates) and mean plasma levels of l-citrulline. However, plasma L-arginine levels were not effected even with 300 mg of supplementation. Thusfar it has been established that L-arginine supplementation does indeed stimulate nitric oxide synthesis. Now it must be addressed whether or not this is beneficial to athletes.

Paddon-Jones et al. (2004) found that nitric oxide supplementation does not provide an ergogenic effect to healthy individuals. Miguez et al. (2004) found that 4 weeks of L-arginine supplementation increased serum triglyceride levels and significantly increased levels of low-density lipoprotein (LD) cholesterol. This is obviously cause for concern and needs to be further investigated. Evans et al. (2004) sought to find the optimal dosage of L-arginine to elicit the greatest effect on nitric oxide synthesis. Manufacturers recommend upwards of 6000-10000 mg/day but many athletes report taking even higher dosages as much as 35000 mg/day, nearly six times the recommended intake. Evans (2004) found that half the participants supplementing with 20000 mg/day reported serious adverse side effects from L-arginine supplementation and over half of the participants reported severe side effects when taking more than 20000 mg/day. A significant portion of individuals supplementing with 9000 mg/day reported adverse effects, and over the duration of the supplementation period, no participants experienced any sort of weight gain. Chu et al. (2004) found that L-arginine supplementation impaired pulmonary endothelium-dependent relaxation of vascular tissue. This may lead to potentially dangerous vascular spasms and cardiovascular abnormalities.

It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.

Based on the available research, this author strongly recommends that athletes avoid nitric oxide and hemodilator supplements in the interest of safety. Moreover, it has been suggested that these supplements have little or no anabolic or ergogenic benefits for the athlete."



I copied this from another forum, and I just wnated to bring it up. There was a thread on N.O. a while back, and i think it was LBJ who made a great point- basically that us weightlifters should judge for ourselves about the validity of N.O., not these scrawny doctors lol (apologies if that wasn't LBJ or if my memory failed me with the message).

Bottom line is that i'm the type of guy who watches what he puts in his body, and although i love the free samples of both products mentioned above, it looks like it's not worth the risk. Same thing with Nitrix. I just wanted to show you guys this, make of it what you will, and always be safe.


Lastly- a lot of the stuff said in that article goes hand in hand with what BSN says. I called them up, and they admitted the lightheadness, drop in blood pressure etc. but they fail to tell you why and what's being effected. A bit sketchy...
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:54 PM   #3
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I Wanna take one of these supplements, but I'm not sure whcih one. Granted i'm on cellmass so no-explode would make more sense, but i feel as though no-xplode is a bit over the top strong and somewhat dangerous. any opinions....
personally i have said this numerous time that NO products dont work for me. However I have taken NO-Explode before and I dont think it is dangerous unless you are highly sensitive to caffeine. But I personally didnt like it because it made me too jittery. never taken super pump. I have taken labrada's supercharge which I actually liked. It is a NO pre workout drink but it also has naturally occurring IGF-1, IGF-2, FGF (fibroblast growth factors), NGF (nerve growth factors)m EGF (epidermal growth factors), CTGF (connective tisue growth factors) so it packs a little more of a punch. However I have read some of your other posts and I'm not sure that a product that contained HGH factors in it would be something that you would want to take......
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i am just about to try no-xplode and i will let you know what it is like
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:36 PM   #5
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id stick to NO
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i took N.O. and didn;t get anything i didn;t feel ANYTHING i was kinda mad
 
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i took N.O. and didn;t get anything i didn;t feel ANYTHING i was kinda mad
you could be a non NO responder I am all it does is make me dizzy and i learned the hard way it is not safe to drink alcohol while taking NO products
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LOL^^^that made me laugh
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I reccoment NO, I hear that some people dont respond to it, however everyone I personally know that has or is taking it loves it and responds to it. I respond to it and have been taking it for a while and have had great results, it makes you feel like you can lift for days with a good pump. The down side is when you go off, you feel like your dragging in the weight room.
 
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Out of curiosity, what happens when NO and alcohol are mixed?
 
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you get really pissed and break your hand(true story)
but no kick ass superpump is **** i hate the stuff, plus if you like drinking clumps of ****ty ass powder, i wouldnt even try it
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shouldnt be drinking when training anyway...but if u wanna know what happens, try it...

drinking whilst taking supplements is a NO GO
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can cause hypotension decreased blood pressure which slows your heart rate.
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then get dizzy spells & pass out...
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granted that no-xplode seems the stronger of the two, and the prefered............but i also feel like superpump is a bit more "softer" and hence not as "dangerous". what do you think about that?
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Ive taken NO Explode before, I actually like the effects of it. you can definately notice it as it gives you a hell of a buzz to the point where your pretty much shaking

If you need something to give you a boost before and during your workout id recommend it .. just don’t buy the Orange flavor, it tastes like total **** and almost induces vomiting by just the smell of it.

The only negative side effect that I experienced was a problem getting to sleep as I usually hit the gym at say 5-7pm and try to be in bed before 11. This stuff is also a little pricey.

I find it hard to get the same amount of intensity in my workouts without it to be honest.

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I'v tryed both of these products, and i have to say that i would choose No-xplode if i had to choose one. Bit stronger it seems. After a while these pre workout igniters just stop working tho. Your body gets use to it. So if your going to take it cycle on and off of it to get greater effects during the times you take it.
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^ agree. Serving of whey, some rice cakes, and a gatorade for when you lift. that always helps.

I just was curious about these two products, but your all right in the fact that the ace in the hole is food.
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been taking NO Explode for a about a month- first time i drank on it i took NO earlier that day and had 1 mixed drink at night. I came home later that night and felt very uneasy- Second time i took NO and later that night had 3 beers and felt extremely nautious and sick to my stomach- yesterday i took it in the afternoon and started drinking at 7 and only had another 3 beers and felt like everything slowed down and i was in a dream world almost. I felt very bloated and stuffed not to mention sick- Im beginning to think its definitly the NO thats making me feel very sick when i drink
 
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I remember the first time I took NO Xplode. I was like an animal. It was one of the greatest feelings ever. My pump, stamina, energy, focus and drive all skyrised through the roof! I was tearing **** up all the time. Ahhhh, good times! =)
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I been tossing this ? back an forth for a long time. To me either one is going to be a kick in the buttocks.

If my body is not use to it. God help the gym.. I'll have to see what my pocket can afford.

Unless a sponsor would like to give you samples to try. Then I may Purchase some from there.. lol

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Go with N.O. I really liked it though i built up a tolerance quickly, dont take it on non training days as it reccomends you can save so much money that way and not build up a tolerance so easily.
 
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I'v tryed both of these products, and i have to say that i would choose No-xplode if i had to choose one. Bit stronger it seems. After a while these pre workout igniters just stop working tho. Your body gets use to it. So if your going to take it cycle on and off of it to get greater effects during the times you take it.
(But man nothing is better that some good carbs 30mins-1 hour before training and maybe some green tea for a caffeine lift.) = long lasting energy
about how long do you suggest you take the n.o explode before cycling off.. and i was thinking a n.o. explode, vapor cycling both on and off(taking one then the other) would this work good???
 
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try plasma jet, ****s off the chain
 
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try plasma jet, ****s off the chain
im 16.. would that be ok for me to take was told it is.. but box says no one under 18 under any circumstances
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:56 PM   #28
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For me Superpump sucked, I ate some complex carbs pre workout and then took 5000mgs of arginine and alanine pre workout too. I had a WAAAY better pump and energy level than on Superpump. Actually my energy was through the roof I just wanted to keep doing more and more sets.

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^^^^^ Gotta agree w/ Mike - Just go for the arginine if you want the pump, however i thot that was overrated. I did however like both products 'cause of the caffine & caffine related boost - but i think it's an expensive way to get it. I don't use em any more - just coffee...
BTW - watch out if u take those & work out at NIte - could interfere w/ your sleep. i w/o at 7 am so not a prob.
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^^^^^ Gotta agree w/ Mike - Just go for the arginine if you want the pump, however i thot that was overrated. I did however like both products 'cause of the caffine & caffine related boost - but i think it's an expensive way to get it. I don't use em any more - just coffee...
BTW - watch out if u take those & work out at NIte - could interfere w/ your sleep. i w/o at 7 am so not a prob.
thanks man.. the plasmajet a bit pricey and if not for internet could say same for all othrs. wont have problem with sleep i workout b4 school so im up at 430 it would actually help to wake me up. so recommend me taking no or plasma for this cycle?
 
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