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Old 04-15-2007, 11:04 PM   #1
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can anyone recommend any good cutting agents or cutting supplements?
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:31 AM   #2
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can anyone recommend any good cutting agents or cutting supplements?
I've had a lot of success with our StimX product, along with Hyperdrol-X2 and Retain.

I'm a huge advocate of running testosterone enhancers and cortisol reducers while cutting. You bust your ass so hard for the mass and strength that you have, and so many times people miscalculate their total macronutrients and over-do cardio and end of sacrificing muscle mass and strength as a result.

I have run cutting cycles with the original Hyperdrol and Retain products and have been able to actually decrease bodyfat, gain a bit of strength, and actually gain 2-3lbs of lean mass while cutting. The more testosterone you have, the easier it is for you to gain strength, lose bodyfat, and increase mass. The same goes for cortisol, but the less of it you have, the more mass you retain (hence the name) and the more fat you lose. If you're not familiar with them, here are a couple of brief product discriptions for you.

Here's some info on Hyperdrol-X2

Something great just got better! Hyperdrol X-2 is the new & improved formula featuring 50mg of 6-Bromodione per serving.

6-Bromodione - The Ultimate Mass Building Agent! Hyperdrol X2 is virtually guaranteed to pack on jaw dropping Lean Mass Gains with its powerful new mass building agent 6-Bromodione. Hyperdrol X2 gives you what you need to respond to your workouts in a way you have only dreamed. Instantly testosterone rises and estrogen drops putting your body in a highly pro-anabolic state. Fat will melt away and be replaced with lean hard muscle and you experience the most mind-blowing extreme workouts ever. Trust the people at Anabolic Xtreme to provide you with the best legal pro-anabolic products on the market today.

* Hyperdrol X2 Highlights:
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* No Gyno Or Estrogen Effects – due to the estrogen blocker
* No Hair Loss
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Here's our product write-up for Retain 2.0



17b-triol designed by Anabolic Xtreme is a next generation leaning agent. It was developed to fight negative cortisol levels, keeping your body in a pro-anabolic state, to get you completely shredded. Stack with Hyperdrol? and Mass FX for the most effective Xtreme muscle building stack available today.

17b-triol - THE KING OF CORTISOL CONTROL


Cortisol is a hormone made in the adrenal glands of the human body. Increases in cortisol are caused by acute physical and mental stress. When cortisol is released by the body, it causes a breakdown of muscle protein leading to a spike in blood sugar levels. This is the body's horrible solution for creating energy during times of stress. The end result of these actions are an increase in appetite, weight gain and muscle catabolism (your body eating it's own muscle for energy). 17b-triol (B-Androstenetriol) is a metabolite of DHEA and has been used for years to boost the immune system and for its cortisol lower effects. B-androstenetriol is between 100 and 100,000 times more active than its DHEA precursor metabolites leaving this compound as the champion of cortisol control. 17b-triol works against inactive cortisone and muscle eating cortisol glucocorticoids. In a nutshell 17b-triol lowers the negative cortisol levels in your body. Less cortisol and fat = more lean muscle!


Relora

A natural proprietary blend of a patented (U.S. Patent No. US 6,582,735) extract of Magnolia officinalis and a patent-pending extract from Phellodendron amurense. Relora is a natural stress and cortisol management ingredient that helps control stress-related eating and has the added value of being non-sedating. During open human and clinical trials no significant side effects were reported. The trials measure cortisol and DHEA levels in 12 patients with mild to moderate mental and physical stress. Elevated cortisol levels and depressed DHEA levels are associated with chronic stress. A two-week regimen of Relora caused a significant increase in DHEA (227%) and a significant decrease in morning cortisol levels (37%).


7-Keto DHEA

7-Keto DHEA improves lean body mass by reducing cortisol and increasing testosterone-to-cortisol ratios enabling the body to build muscle in a growth promoting environment. It has also been shown to increase your body's ability to burn calories. It is a non-hormonal, non-androgenic derivative of DHEA. 7-Keto DHEA has been shown to safely "rev up" the basal metabolic rate and thus "burn" calories more rapidly and continually throughout the day, even while resting, as well as inhibit the storage of fat within the body by controlling negative cortisol levels.

So why did we not include 7-Hydroxy DHEA

17b-triol metabolizes to 7-Hydroxy DHEA to some moderate degree on it's first pass so it was decided we would include 7-Keto DHEA for a more well rounded and balanced formula. With Retain all four major anti-cortisol agents will be generated. 17b-triol and 7-Keto DHEA are directly supplied in the formula. DHEA and 7-Hydroxy-DHEA are created from the actions of Relora and as a metabolite of 17b-triol. As a result, you get maximum cortisol coverage for all the major metabolites in the DHEA pathway. Each of which supplies its own unique benefit.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:30 AM   #3
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the best cutting agent...EATING RIGHT
i dont care what fat burner etc comes out on the market, nothing can take the place of having a well structured diet...don't make the mistake most people do and think that supplements are some miracle that will put mass/or make you get ripped.
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:49 AM   #4
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iceman...have u ever juiced or go down that road???
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:49 AM   #5
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well what would be a good cutting diet, high protein low carb?, yeah ive done a cycle of DECA.
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:20 PM   #6
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stick to lean cuts of meat...& stick to under 150 carbs a day.

there's no other thing out there i know thats strips fat off u like clenbuterol does, but it's not exactly legal...but as far as supplements are concerned a good cutting agent ive always used was LIPO 6 liqui caps, personally i think its better than hydroxy cut plus it's cheaper...
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:37 PM   #7
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lipo 6 works well i used that i have heard of clenbuterol i think it was actually made for animals for some purpose. I would actually be interested in trying it do you know anywhere to order it online?
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:42 PM   #8
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cant post links like that on the forum bro...but i wouldnt buy things like that online anyways.

i do some more reasearch on clen b4 making up your mind on using them first tho
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clen's not a steroid and i though it kinda fell into the gray area as far a legal concers. am I wrong is it totally illegal? I thought it has medical uses because it opens up the bronchial tubes so it helps people with asthma and other breathing disorders
 
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u r CORRECT...clen isnt a steriod but has anabolic effects, & is also used as a medicine in many countries for asthma...

but to an extent clen is dangerous especially if u dont know how to use it...so yea its a banned substance, like AAS, but they r still used as a prescribed drug like tranquillizers & AAS...
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