[mariomagic007]

Hi. Currently i am taking
-a multivitamin
-efa's
-iron (i have a minor defficency in iron)
-l-carnitine (almost through and will wait before i buy more)
-and of course protein shake/bars.

I am thinking of taking the following,
-L-glutamine (i have read it is harmless and almost a necessity)
-Caffeine (fat loss and energy)
-L-arginine (For the aided nutrient flow)
-L-citrulline (to aid the arginine)

Does anyone have any ideas as to whether this stack will work well, dosage, and cycling of anything. All of these supps will be in their pure form, i don't want anything complex and with more than 1 supp. I would prefer to measure out my doses to each one and learn how my body responds to the supps.

Thanks

[Thomas_Rivera]

"-L-glutamine (i have read it is harmless and almost a necessity)"

Have you also read that there aren't any studies that site anabolic response from glutamine?

Add in BCC's, and creatine.

[mariomagic007]

Thanks, the reason i don't want creatine is that i don't want more mass right now. I have the arginine there, which i know is commonly used with creatine, becuase i want to see if it helps me with my broncular spasms and aid in getting the other supplemnts to my muscles.

Regarding the l-glutamine, should i not take it then? I thought i read somewhere that it aids in preventing catabolism, am i wrong?

Thanks

[Freak]

Did you get blood work done to determine that you actually have a deficiency of iron? Is it a primary or secondary deficiency?

Reason I am asking is because you can die from too much iron especially in the form of supplements.

[Thomas_Rivera]

There isn't any reason not to use creatine, creatine might give you some water retention in your muscles, which will make your muscles more full. But why wouldn't you want that?

I don't want to burst your bubble, but you said it like creatine will stack on muscle to your body, which it just doesn't do.

Glutamine is most efficient for gastro intesstinal problems and its used in burn victims I believe.

[mariomagic007]

i did have blood work done and my doctor recommend i take about 40mg of iron daily, i take 25mg as i figure my diet adds more and the 25mg is sufficent as later blood work hasn't showed a deficency. I am not sure whether it is 1st or 2nd, i would asume the less harmful as my doctor said it wasn't a big problem. Thank you for the concern though.

Thomas, i don't want to add mass right now, i'm trying to get cut. any mass that i do add while cutting fat whould be great. I would use creatine during a different cycle. Regarding the one i have questions about, i intended it to be a more general necessary supps with a leaning towards fat burning.

Thanks so far for the advice, but does anyone think this stack will be good, are there any conflicts with any of the supps, what dosage should i take and does anyone have a recommend cycle of any of the supps.

[mariomagic007]

Hi, can anyone please let me know if there are any problems with taking these various supps together? Thanks

[bbdude]

listen to Thomas Rivera and Thefreak350.. theyre prolly the smartest guys in the forum...

[bbdude]

Originally Posted by mariomagic007

Thanks, the reason i don't want creatine is that i don't want more mass right now. I have the arginine there, which i know is commonly used with creatine, becuase i want to see if it helps me with my broncular spasms and aid in getting the other supplemnts to my muscles.

Regarding the l-glutamine, should i not take it then? I thought i read somewhere that it aids in preventing catabolism, am i wrong?

Thanks

how is it possible to dont want more mass??? i guess i dont get it cause im so small :'(

[mariomagic007]

Thanks everyone for the help, i have added bcaa's to the stack, but have refrained from creatine for the moment. I have two reasons for this, 1 i want to see how my body responds to the other supps first, before i add anything else and 2 as i am coming to the closing of my track season i don't want to really increase my muscle size at the moment, if so not by much. But thank you all for the help.

[bbdude]

oh, then i get it...

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by mariomagic007

Thomas, i don't want to add mass right now, i'm trying to get cut. any mass that i do add while cutting fat whould be great. I would use creatine during a different cycle. Regarding the one i have questions about, i intended it to be a more general necessary supps with a leaning towards fat burning.
.

I think your misinformed about what mass and what cuts are. Cuts are just by percentage of bodyfat, regardless of how much muscle you have, low bodyfat means you will have cuts the muscle will be defined.

The idea of mass being uncut is a marketing ploy. If anything creatine will make you look better while your cut and you'll get a better workout, any edge that you can get while you workout during a cut is good to have.

Any water retention you get with creatine is going to make your muscles look more full, thats a plus when your lean (low body fat).

Look at it this way. Creatine will give you more energy because it helps to replenish ATP in your body. It might also increase your recovery time. Even if you gain 2-3 pounds of water weight thats not alot. Let me put it in an example for you.

Even if you gain 2-3 pounds of water weight your body will have more energy to train, that translates into greater yields of strength. I don't see how your strength gain from the advantage of creatine isn't going to OVER compensate for any water weight.

[bbdude]

im shocked by ur knowledge Thomas...:O

[mariomagic007]

Thanks Thomas, that makes alot of sense. If i were to use creatine how would you recommend the loading and maintence be, how long should i cycle it on and off. Thanks your insight is great.

[bbdude]

im not thomas, but i use creatine all the time... add serious weight for me, but u didnt want to add more weight so i dunno.. but i dont believe using it all the time will harm u..

[mariomagic007]

I am not going to add creatine to the stack as i already am adding enough supps that i haven't used before (at least directly) so i am going to wait a bit. plus, i did spend alot in the past week on supps, so im going to wait a bit. But i was curious as to what a cycle should look like. Im 5' 10"ish and about 155lbs. i run cross country and track (300m hurdles). But come summer im thinking of using creatine, so any suggestions in terms of cycle length, dosage. Porduct wise id like to stick to pure creatine monohydrate as i don't believe in the "designer" supps to begin with.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Thanks. Plain old creatine monohydrate is fine, thats what I used.

For reference I followed the information on here Bodybuilding.com - Jeremy Likness - All About Creatine!, I didn't use 20 grams per a day for the one week load, I used 15 grams per a day and five days for every day after and I saw some pretty good results.

And what does your diet look like, one way to make sure your not gaining muscle mass that you don't need is just to take enough in your diet to mantain body size and not lose or gain any weight.

[mariomagic007]

Thanks Thomas. My diet is under construction. I am trying to change my diet as a whole. The largest problem i face with my diet has been school, i have lunch at around 10:40 am everyday, not exactly the most helpful time, so im trying to eat something like a protein bar for an afternoon snack. So a very rough diet scetch would look like.
Morning (6-7am):
Cottage Cheese and Fruit and a juice
Or
Whole Wheat Toast with some ham and cheese with juice
Or
Waffles with a juice ( the waffles are frozen but they arn't ego and i am almost possitvie they aren't made with porr ingredients)

Lunch (10:40am):
Soup on most days with many choices, some possible choices depending on the day,
1)Veggies
2)rice and beans
3)pb&j
4)chicken patty (i don't really like these)
5)Spinach
6)Sandwich
7)Other meat dish

Mid Day Snack (around 1:00pm):
Protein Bar

Dinner (about 6:00-7:00):
What ever mom made, which is healthy for the most part and i try not to eat too much

Night Snack(8:30-10:00):
normally one of two options:
1) Low fat- no sugar added- yogurt with a digestive cookie (they're from the uk, and i like the crunch)
2) Cottage cheese with at most one teaspoon maple syrup

Thats about it. Thanks again

[Thomas_Rivera]

Oh by the way, for me, I stay on creatine for about a 6 weeks then off for 4 weeks, just personal preference.

You need to try to get in something between 1 oclock and 6 oclock, even if its just a slice of wheat bread with a little peanut butter on it. For the most part how is this diet working for you?

[mariomagic007]

Thanks for the suggestion. The diet has been working rather well, until the two previous nights where my family and i went out to some rather large dinners. But overall i think this will workout well. What do you think i should eat between 1-6. School ends for me at 3:15 and then i run. I have a box of honey stinger energy gels, i was planning to take one before my run, they 120cal of pure honey (which if im correct is not a huge insulin spike) whould this work? My probelm with any really foods at school other than at luch time, is storage. I don't want to be eating anything that has gone bad or tastes funky because its not hot. But i guess i could plastic bad a piece of toast with PB on it, id just have to cut it in half and make the sandwhich. Thanks Thomas you've helped me so much so far. Any other possibel food suggestions, would the carb gel be sufficient?
Thanks Again

[Thomas_Rivera]

No problem. I don't think honey would be good, as a sugar you really shouldn't use it before you run. Regular whole wheat bread would be better a slice or two, it's small and has good carbs.

[Freak]

Say no to honey. I think you were mislead by this thread.

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/f...ighlight=honey

The original poster was incorrect. I found information which I attached to disprove the initial claims/hype.

[mariomagic007]

I have not sen that thread but thanks for the heads up. I will read that report when i have a spare moment, but what would you suggest i do with the honey stinger gels. I still have 23 left. I don't want to throw them, can i take them pre gym workout, during? any suggstions?

[Thomas_Rivera]

Well if you have to use them take them postworkout with something with protein. Can you link me to a page that has the information on the pills?


Good find Freak. I love honey, forest honey is just a sin to eat. I usually only take it after I workout as well, i'll ha ve to download that stuff after I get to my regular comp.

[mariomagic007]

This is the website of the company. sorry i cant post the url until i get 2 more posts. but go to google and search for "honey stinger", it should be the first link. They're gels packets though, like power gel packets.
Thanks again

[bbdude]

why is there a rule on not posting URLs before 15 posts??

[Thomas_Rivera]

Oh alright, I found them. And no problem.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by bbdude

why is there a rule on not posting URLs before 15 posts??

I think it's so that bots aren't made that will spam on the thread. Or probably so that people just don't come in and spam with websites.

[bbdude]

makes sense...

[mariomagic007]

Let me ask you guys. My package arrived with the goodies from above (the stack). I decided to only take the arginine pre-workout and see how it worked. i took about 3g worth, I took it about 30 min preworkout. I really didn't notice a difference in pump, but i was able to handle 2 45lbs plates for bench dips (15 reps as my last set for tris today). Should i have taken it 1 hour pre-workout? Is 3g prewokout enough, or should it be 6g? Should i take it in the morning as well?

Thanks