[duckfish12]

i have been hearing alot about tribulus terrestris the herbal tablet that helps enduce the brain and testes to screate more testosterone has anybody out there used it and had good effect or negative effect all help much appricieted

[rkl0165]

Originally Posted by duckfish12

i have been hearing alot about tribulus terrestris the herbal tablet that helps enduce the brain and testes to screate more testosterone has anybody out there used it and had good effect or negative effect all help much appricieted

it does work for guys over 30 but @ 19 it could backfire and have undesirable effects...such as your natural testosterone secretion slow down and testicular shrinkage..there are a lot of brandnames on the market some probably worthless some potent..but again until you've reached your muscle building peak and your testosterone peak..years from now don't play with something that couldcause a BIG problem

[Escobar187]

yeah, I wouldn't **** with it. At 19, you need to just eat a lot and train hard

[rkl0165]

Originally Posted by Escobar187

yeah, I wouldn't **** with it. At 19, you need to just eat a lot and train hard

EXACTLY no short cut works in this business..pay your dues and u get big..cheat and u get pimples.....

[Maykl]

Originally Posted by rkl0165

it does work for guys over 30 but @ 19 it could backfire and have undesirable effects...such as your natural testosterone secretion slow down and testicular shrinkage..there are a lot of brandnames on the market some probably worthless some potent..but again until you've reached your muscle building peak and your testosterone peak..years from now don't play with something that couldcause a BIG problem

rkl0165, although i think tribulus is needless to take by teenagers (their bodies are already producing testosterone at their maximum capacity as it is) i don't agree with the scare tactics you use in your response. there is no scientific literature that would suggest taking tribulus would cause testosterone secretion to slow down, although there are no long term studies, making such an assumption is fallacious. and testicular shrinkage!?! I think you have tribulus confused with steroids, tribulus does not cause testicular shrinkage.

duckfish12, through personal experience (trial and error) i would suggest holding off on taking tribulus. tribulus works to increase your natural testosterone production. like i said above, as a teenager your natural testosterone production is already at its maximum. i'm not suggesting that you don't take tribulus because its too "hardcore", because its not (even though rkl1065 would suggest its as hardcore as taking steroids) i would suggest you not taking it just because you won't benifit from it.

[Mygeeto]

Originally Posted by Maykl

rkl0165, although i think tribulus is needless to take by teenagers (their bodies are already producing testosterone at their maximum capacity as it is) i don't agree with the scare tactics you use in your response. there is no scientific literature that would suggest taking tribulus would cause testosterone secretion to slow down, although there are no long term studies, making such an assumption is fallacious. and testicular shrinkage!?! I think you have tribulus confused with steroids, tribulus does not cause testicular shrinkage.

duckfish12, through personal experience (trial and error) i would suggest holding off on taking tribulus. tribulus works to increase your natural testosterone production. like i said above, as a teenager your natural testosterone production is already at its maximum. i'm not suggesting that you don't take tribulus because its too "hardcore", because its not (even though rkl1065 would suggest its as hardcore as taking steroids) i would suggest you not taking it just because you won't benifit from it.

ok, but say testosterone is being produced at max, wouldent taking Tribulus increase that max? that would be a good thing right?

[Maykl]

Originally Posted by Mygeeto

ok, but say testosterone is being produced at max, wouldent taking Tribulus increase that max? that would be a good thing right?

not really... i understand your reasoning, but tribulus works within your body's natural limits. if your body is already producing testosterone at its greatest natural capacity, as is the case for most teenagers, then tribulus won't benifit the user because it neccessarily works within the body's natural limits.

[matty]

i'm 24 and have been taking Tribulus and DHEA since i was 22 and have seen nothing but improvement. The "double-blind" "placebo" tests and all that other testing BS shows the results that occured in THOSE individuals. Reaction to substances introduced into the body differ by the individual. u cannot argue that. no one in the world has the EXACT same genetic makeup, if they did there would be a lot of ugly MoFos' like me out there.

Duckfish, IMO try it, it will not kill you, if you have an adverse reaction, then u know not to take it.

[rkl0165]

Originally Posted by Maykl

rkl0165, although i think tribulus is needless to take by teenagers (their bodies are already producing testosterone at their maximum capacity as it is) i don't agree with the scare tactics you use in your response. there is no scientific literature that would suggest taking tribulus would cause testosterone secretion to slow down, although there are no long term studies, making such an assumption is fallacious. and testicular shrinkage!?! I think you have tribulus confused with steroids, tribulus does not cause testicular shrinkage.

duckfish12, through personal experience (trial and error) i would suggest holding off on taking tribulus. tribulus works to increase your natural testosterone production. like i said above, as a teenager your natural testosterone production is already at its maximum. i'm not suggesting that you don't take tribulus because its too "hardcore", because its not (even though rkl1065 would suggest its as hardcore as taking steroids) i would suggest you not taking it just because you won't benifit from it.

"scare tactics"? let it just suffice that teen age boys do not need to take supplemets to increase testosterone..hitting heavy weights will increase testosterone and hgf naturally and it is the correct way to get big muscles and increase strength to the max..save the 2nd and 3rd stage rockets for late twenties and early thirties..

[Kramer]

Originally Posted by matty

i'm 24 and have been taking Tribulus and DHEA since i was 22 and have seen nothing but improvement. The "double-blind" "placebo" tests and all that other testing BS shows the results that occured in THOSE individuals. Reaction to substances introduced into the body differ by the individual. u cannot argue that. no one in the world has the EXACT same genetic makeup, if they did there would be a lot of ugly MoFos' like me out there.

Duckfish, IMO try it, it will not kill you, if you have an adverse reaction, then u know not to take it.

Genetics and physioclogcal reactions aren't the same.

Everyone follows the same laws when it comes to physiology. Proteins are the building blocks in everyone and not subject to genetic variations. Its the same with everything else.

The rate at which these effects are seen do vary but the effects are present one way or another. Science attempts to explain these difference in testing a population of individuals, not one and if the overwhelming consensus through numerous individuals is that its bunk, it probably is no matter what "genetic" excuse you can make up.

Using the viewpoint that studies are BS because it doen'st explain every physiological variation in an individual is extremely flawed. If tribulus increases testosterone to a significant point if would be in every anti-aging clinic and have loads of evidence, scientific evidence, to support its claim.

You want to know if it works? Do a baseline blood test and test it yourself and I will almost guarantee you the difference will be nil.

[Kramer]

Originally Posted by Mygeeto

ok, but say testosterone is being produced at max, wouldent taking Tribulus increase that max?

No.

[Maykl]

Originally Posted by matty

i'm 24 and have been taking Tribulus and DHEA since i was 22 and have seen nothing but improvement. The "double-blind" "placebo" tests and all that other testing BS shows the results that occured in THOSE individuals. Reaction to substances introduced into the body differ by the individual. u cannot argue that. no one in the world has the EXACT same genetic makeup, if they did there would be a lot of ugly MoFos' like me out there.

Duckfish, IMO try it, it will not kill you, if you have an adverse reaction, then u know not to take it.

i agree with what rkl1065 had to say about the effect lifting heavy weights has on your testosterone and hgh levels, and his argument ads to mine. matty, my argument has nothing to do with different physiological responses. lets say you are correct, that there does occur different physiological responses based on genetics (which i disagree with for the same reason bobo does) if tribulus works within the body's natural limits, then even if there was a positive response in your genetically gifted individuals, it would maximize their natural testosterone production within their natural limits. like i said and rkl1065 said, if your a teenager and your lifting heavy weights (both factors which postively influence natural testosterone production to a great extent) then i would argue there isn't much potential for increasing natural testosterone production any furthur. you could argue sleep and nutrition also factor in, but provided those factors are already in check, tribulus wouldn't benifit a teenager who lifts heavy weights.

[rkl0165]

If your firing on all cylinders you dont need a tune up!