Best PH out there that works the best.

Jonathan180 · 09-06-2006, 05:45 PM

post gains and sides after the cycle.

dragan101 · 09-07-2006, 11:19 AM

Although some may argue Ive found that Phera Plex is the best for gains with least sides.

Robby · 09-07-2006, 06:21 PM

I agree with Dragan I'm on Methyl Plex now since last Friday and I'm lovin the results I'm seeing in the mirror.Definitly one of the best supplements I've ever taken!

dragan101 · 09-09-2006, 11:31 AM

Yep Im on Phera Max this week, and loving the results. So far Im up 5lbs in the 1st week.

big04pimpin · 09-12-2006, 11:42 PM

M1T, wish they still made it, but really I loved superdrol if you can still get your hands on it. Should still be out there somewhere. They called it a prohormone but its really just a designer steriod. Just have to watch your blood levels and post cycle gyno with the stuff.

**mindstar** · 09-13-2006, 02:11 AM

Ph's are worse than real gear IMHO...harder on your body with less gains.

Jonathan180 · 09-13-2006, 11:55 AM

real gear imho? not if your taking it right its not to harsh on your body

**mindstar** · 09-13-2006, 02:15 PM

Pro hormones are harder on your body than steroids. (in fact pro-hormones are steroids)

gear=juice=aas=steroids

IMHO=in my humble opinion.

Too Small · 09-13-2006, 02:52 PM

I did two cycles of Superdrol. 1st cycle was great, second cycle didn't work at all. But, I think there was a lot of **** that I DIDN'T do that I needed to.

There is NO substitution for Real GEAR!..even though I do not use.

dragan101 · 10-06-2006, 09:19 PM

Ive got no complaints. I finished my Phera-Max cycle this week and Im up about ten solid pounds and damn near doubled my strenght in most areas. Body leaned out completely, was about 28% body fat now about 15%. I wouldnt do it all the time but it was a good booster for a change.

dragan101 · 10-06-2006, 09:22 PM

Besides I dont feel like breaking the law with gear. If you can find the PH in a local store you can buy it. Its banned from the point when everyone runs out, until then I can use use use....

powershout · 10-07-2006, 02:01 AM

u know they still sell all that stuff! they dont call it m1t but they still have 1ad. m1t. superdrol... all that stuff! just under different companys... incase u think they're gone~

USMARINE8152 · 10-07-2006, 05:31 PM

whats this phera stuff???

USMARINE8152 · 10-07-2006, 05:31 PM

sorry i have been out of the PH loop since andro was banned

BPMartyr · 10-08-2006, 03:14 AM

Whether or not it is a "pro-hormone" or a "steroid" depends on whether or not it requires enzymatic conversion before becoming active. Other than that, they are both steroids, plain and simple. There are plenty of "real" "steroids that are very harsh and some Pro hormones that are not. Anadrol is harsh, as is Winstrol. 4AD is a pro-hormone and is pretty mild and low in sides, 1AD is a pro-hormone to 1Test and although pretty mild toxicity wise has a few noted negative sides. Phera and Superdrol are not PH's, they are active compounds.

Jonathan180 · 10-09-2006, 05:56 PM

what do you mean active compounds?

BPMartyr · 10-09-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan180

what do you mean active compounds?

4AD becomes testosterone through enzymatic conversion. The "active" would be testosterone. 1AD converts to 1test, with 1test being the "active".

Most of the so called "pro hormones" available today are already in their active state. Phera Plex and Superdrol are both active steroids that require no conversion. Calling them a PH is a misnomer.

Similar for an analogy would be T4 and T3. T3 being the active form of the hormone that your body converts from T4. T4 can be considered a PH, T3 is the active thyroid hormone.

One advantage of PH's is generally their oral bio availability. If you swallow testosterone it will be destroyed in the first pass through the liver. If you swallow 4AD, it's structure allows more to be absorbed into the body for use. The same can be said for 1AD vs. 1test. 1AD can be taken orally but needs a fairly high dose due to the moderately low level of conversion to 1test. 1test is obviously much more potent but is useless taken orally. 1test is typically administered transdermal or injected for this very reason.

Jonathan180 · 10-09-2006, 11:07 PM

how about mega trn?

dragan101 · 10-09-2006, 11:46 PM

Hmm, I dont know the chemical breakdown of the stuff. I was under the impression that Phera-Max was similar to Phera-Plex and I was told Plex was a Pro-Hormone. Either way it worked for me following all the advice given on this forum, I managed to gain a total of 12 solid lbs of lean mass and still gaining in pct. I recommend doing as much research as one can stand, get your weight training routine perfect, and most importantly make sure your diet is absolutely perfect. My next cycle in a month or so is going to be documented perfectly with pictures and all, showing my diet, and workout routines. Also if you workout 3 times a week, when on a cycle double it.

BPMartyr · 10-10-2006, 10:42 AM

Mega Trn is a steroid with a methoxy added to it's structure to make it bio available. Phera Plex (Phera Max) is a steroid with a 17a methyl added to it's structure to make IT bio available. Neither are pro hormones. Adding the methyl greatly increases liver toxicity and negatively impacts your lipid values. FWIW

Doubling your training volume while on AAS is not the greatest advise. Steroids can help your strength, growth and recovery but you still need rest, especially for your CNS which steroids do nothing to enhance.

Mulletsoldier · 10-10-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dragan101

Hmm, I dont know the chemical breakdown of the stuff. I was under the impression that Phera-Max was similar to Phera-Plex and I was told Plex was a Pro-Hormone. Either way it worked for me following all the advice given on this forum, I managed to gain a total of 12 solid lbs of lean mass and still gaining in pct. I recommend doing as much research as one can stand, get your weight training routine perfect, and most importantly make sure your diet is absolutely perfect. My next cycle in a month or so is going to be documented perfectly with pictures and all, showing my diet, and workout routines. Also if you workout 3 times a week, when on a cycle double it.

Pro-Hormones are chemical precursors to active hormones within your body. Bp mention 4AD I believe which is a precursor to Testosterone which is converted by the 3Beta-HSD enzyme within the body. Pheraplex is a METHYLATED ANABOLIC STEROID, not a supplement, prohormone, or the like. I am sorry, but anyone who is still under the impression they are somehow above 'real gear' by taking these compounds needs to give their head a shake. You are taking steroids, lol, sorry man.

FYI, the structure of Phera is 2-ene (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

dragan101 · 10-10-2006, 07:10 PM

...SHAKES HIS HEAD....Lol, oops. Well I guess that explains the massive gains then. As far as the workouts go, working out a body part twice a week worked for me.

BPMartyr your advice is more likely the better, my routine was a bit more complicated then 6 days a week. I had a 3 day split routine on the 4th day it was rest so I guess overall it took 8 days to complete two full body workouts. It worked for me most of the time. There were a couple of weeks in my cycle that I extended the break into two days as I was completely wiped out.

dragan101 · 10-10-2006, 07:57 PM

..........................Before.................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........3 weeks into cycle

hicktown · 10-10-2006, 08:05 PM

No source posting, only warning.

Jonathan180 · 10-10-2006, 10:51 PM

damn i notice some change like your less hairy and you got darker .what were you just taking phera max and milk thistle? or what was your support supp?

Mulletsoldier · 10-10-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dragan101

...SHAKES HIS HEAD....Lol, oops. Well I guess that explains the massive gains then. As far as the workouts go, working out a body part twice a week worked for me.

BPMartyr your advice is more likely the better, my routine was a bit more complicated then 6 days a week. I had a 3 day split routine on the 4th day it was rest so I guess overall it took 8 days to complete two full body workouts. It worked for me most of the time. There were a couple of weeks in my cycle that I extended the break into two days as I was completely wiped out.

If it did, congratulations. The main point BP was trying to point out is that your Central Nervous System is not enhanced whilst on AS, and many people make the mistake of overtraining while 'on'. It is my opinion one has to take more care with diet/rest on AAS as you are putting a supranuerological load on your CNS because of increased adaptation due to increased strength. I.E, juice won't make your CNS recover any longer so overtraining is a very real possibility.

dragan101 · 10-11-2006, 01:58 AM

Well I did months of research on different suppliments, and proper diets. I used cycle support by anabolic innovations, its got everything to support healthy function. I used protein shakes, and used myoplex after a good workout. The picture above is really only the beginning of the 3rd week. I gained another 7lbs after that picture over the next 2 weeks. I didnt want to gain bulk, my goal was to increase lean muscle and thats what I ended up with. I went from benching 135lbs to getting 205 up twice in a matter of 4 weeks. Strength was my biggest gain. I will post some recent pictures up later.

dragan101 · 10-11-2006, 02:05 AM

I agree with you mulletsoldier. There was a point there where I got really sick for a day, it was like a 24 hour flu. I assume it could have been overtraining, as after some rest I was fine.
I was only following Lane's beliefs on the existence of overtraining. I pushed myself to the max, and found it. Because I know where that is I can go right up to that line. If that makes any sense?