[Eroc]

Most definitely Methyl Masterdrol Stacked with Methyl-1p by Legal Gear. The 1-p didnt do much but the masterdrol put 60 lbs on my bench in 3 weeks, and those muscles arent newbs either, they responded very well ( that was without any extra protein ingestion either ). Bench went from 220-280... its now around 290 and my strength only went down on a few exercises post cycle....they say follow up with their PCT formadrol but its not neccessary, I even used slightly more than the recommended dosages during my first week as a loading phase and experienced no side effects. Only thing i did lose was the hard look i attained. it gave me a thicker harder look...good for competition, but not advised for cutting cycles. easier to put on a few pounds, but all solid muscle weight so no worries....by far the best strength gainer ive used......... now im trying a product for pure mass.....and dont give me any tips like celltech or pro complex gainer or some dumb bull**** i know doesnt work ..lol here it is plain and simple...the only powder that works is protein ..everything else is just like an energizer lol any thoughts on the mass gainers?

[Eroc]

still lookin for a response here porkers

[vdawg]

so just masterdrol is good? maybe ill purchase some and give it a try

[xmax]

Sounds good to me , almost as good as the real thing.

[Palmetto]

Masterdrol is a pro-horomone? If so then I think you are too young to be doing an oral cycle like that. Why not wait until you are older say 24 or so and then do a real cycle. Orals are WAY too hard on your liver and not worth the trouble and risk of hurting yourself. The BEST legal strenth gainer is a clean diet with eating LOADS of food, a good training regimein and doing the big three lifts. Squat, Bench and Deadlift. Don't look for the easy way out right now because if you do take those orals, you may be paying with a liver longer down the road.

[Eroc]

im not taking the easy way out tho... i have plateau'd like 4 times lol... my training is severly intense for my age...2-3 hours a day on a single body part... i dont overtrain but at this point i need fuel to help shock the muscle into growth...and my main goal isnt strength its size it just so happens the masterdrol brought strength....and its not a pro-hormone...it does play a little into test production but it is not a test replacement, or booster. It is legal, it is legit, and it does work.... and i use milk thistle while on a cycle to boost up my liver...trust me i might be young but i know how to use **** properly :)

[tim290280]

i have plateau'd like 4 times lol... my training is severly intense for my age...2-3 hours a day on a single body part...

I've spotted a link there. Plateau regularly and 2-3hrs on one body part.

For an amateur you should work on getting the basics right first before taking supplements of any kind. Palmetto is spot on!

[Diesel]

2-3 hours for one body part? Try 45 minutes max.

EDIT: If you knew "how to use this **** properly" then you would have came across the research that says to wait until your at least 21 but it is much better to wait till your 25. Doesn't matter how well you know your stuff, if your body isn't fully developed damage will be done.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Diesel

2-3 hours for one body part? Try 45 minutes max.

Try 15 minutes max.

[Palmetto]

Wow bro, 2-3 hours on ONE bodypart. I dont see how you aren't over training. I don't even spend 2-3 hours in the gym working two body parts. Not even on leg days. Try to cut it down and up the intensity with fewer sets and reps.

[Eroc]

Originally Posted by tim290280

I've spotted a link there. Plateau regularly and 2-3hrs on one body part.

For an amateur you should work on getting the basics right first before taking supplements of any kind. Palmetto is spot on!

the basics right? alright ****tard the basics i got right quite a long time ago, lol different training techniques work for different people, and why dont u post some pics so we can see how well your "spot on" training works for you? and as for that other dumbass, yea sure 45 minutes is fine if youre a beginner, why dont you ( not that this is what i base my training on ) think about how the pros train just before a competition. they might train a couple hours on a single bodypart before a competition...and OVERTRAINING comes from wheny you train a single bodypart too many times before it has a chance to recouperate..not when you hit it extra hard in the gym on the first go around for that week. its not going to cause any damage, im not using roids dumbasses, this **** is almost as safe and damn whey protein ... when i see some pics on here of any of you guys who are 10X better built than me, then maybe ill listen to your "words of wisdom" i posted this not to listen to criticism, but to give an opinion and have a question answered.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Eroc

the basics right? alright ****tard the basics i got right quite a long time ago, lol different training techniques work for different people, and why dont u post some pics so we can see how well your "spot on" training works for you? and as for that other dumbass, yea sure 45 minutes is fine if youre a beginner, why dont you ( not that this is what i base my training on ) think about how the pros train just before a competition. they might train a couple hours on a single bodypart before a competition...and OVERTRAINING comes from wheny you train a single bodypart too many times before it has a chance to recouperate..not when you hit it extra hard in the gym on the first go around for that week. its not going to cause any damage, im not using roids dumbasses, this **** is almost as safe and damn whey protein ... when i see some pics on here of any of you guys who are 10X better built than me, then maybe ill listen to your "words of wisdom" i posted this not to listen to criticism, but to give an opinion and have a question answered.

Don't you love this site?

a) Call Tim a ****tard again and I'll personally PM the mods with the question to ban you.
b) You don't know ****, so you sure as hell didn't know **** 'a long time ago'
c) Diffrent training doesn't work for diffrent people
d) There could be a billion factors besides training which determine how big Tim is, though I'm pretty sure he's bigger than you nevertheless.
e) Pro's train retarded.
f) overtraining isn't linear linked to frequency. How can you explain that the HST'rs who train 6 times a week, 2 times a day fullbody all made the best gains of their live. Some of them did HIT before btw...
g) e-mail a pro than, if you want advice from people better build then you.
h) I don't think anyone will answer your question anymore, after you insulted one of the site's most respected member and making a fool out of yourself with your dumb comments.

EDIT:
i) Hahahahahahaha, you actually had a pic up with your first post hahahhahahaha, even I laugh at that, and I'm one of the smallest members here.

You realize this site is called BODYBUILDINGdungeon.com, not fagfitness.com? Now go give advice at those kiddies in your gym and show 'teh guns' to them, and have no clue why you think you impress us with that physique

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Eroc

the basics right? alright ****tard the basics i got right quite a long time ago, lol different training techniques work for different people, and why dont u post some pics so we can see how well your "spot on" training works for you? and as for that other dumbass, yea sure 45 minutes is fine if youre a beginner, why dont you ( not that this is what i base my training on ) think about how the pros train just before a competition. they might train a couple hours on a single bodypart before a competition...and OVERTRAINING comes from wheny you train a single bodypart too many times before it has a chance to recouperate..not when you hit it extra hard in the gym on the first go around for that week. its not going to cause any damage, im not using roids dumbasses, this **** is almost as safe and damn whey protein ... when i see some pics on here of any of you guys who are 10X better built than me, then maybe ill listen to your "words of wisdom" i posted this not to listen to criticism, but to give an opinion and have a question answered.

prohormones are worse than steroids. they go through your liver twice verse injectables that go through your liver once. but hey, it's your body and if waiting a few more years till your body is fully developed is so hard then go ahead and f*ck it up if you want to. Once again, another noob that has no clue what hes putting into his body. And I can't imagine why prohoromones and AAS have a bad name

Beginners? Sure, is your two hours in the gym include bull****ting with your buddy's and hitting on girls you'll never get? When you train naturally it's best not to go over an hour and fifteen minutes, tops! Yea, if your on prohormones or AAS and eating right you can train as long as you are. But your body's not ready for something like that. How old are you? 12? Sure sounds like it. Just because you ask a question here doesn't mean you're gona get the answer you want. Everyone is posting to your benefit while thinking about your health and safety and proper training. I don't care if you post after this or not, I'm done posting. Anymore, people on this website get all pissy when they don't hear the answer they want or when they are wrong but are too arogant to admit it. good luck with w/e road you chose but I hope you lay off the prohormones until your a little older and then just go for the real deal. Not that I recommend that but it's better than prohormones and more safe.

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by jornT

Try 15 minutes max.

Wouldnt that be considered somewhat of ahit routine then jorn? I thought u didnt believe in hit, please explain.


TO DUDE:
Youll find out that diet is so important when it comes to working out.Thats what it comes down to, i believe in sticking with the basics for putting on size. Find a routine that works for u bro, and stick with it until it stops giving u good results. avoid prohormones and what not your not ready for them, and until you get your diet down your going to reach aint when al they doo is give u strength and water weight while your on em, and then your back where u started when your off.

Please learn your nutrition, eat eat eat some more bro, their is no secret drug or anything that u should be using bro, your not naturally peaked, and also at your age u have all the muscle building hromones flowing in your blood stream that youll need. 2-3 hours is overtraining bro, its just to much u cant tear a muscle down for that long, and hen recover naturally, not matter how much food u eat. keep it simple, use the basics man, drugs or no drugs the rules for weight training still apply. if your tryin to add mass start adding more healthy foods to your diet, and start liftingin the 6-10 rep range.

Good luck bro
AND

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by Eroc

the basics right? alright ****tard the basics i got right quite a long time ago, lol different training techniques work for different people, and why dont u post some pics so we can see how well your "spot on" training works for you? and as for that other dumbass, yea sure 45 minutes is fine if youre a beginner, why dont you ( not that this is what i base my training on ) think about how the pros train just before a competition. they might train a couple hours on a single bodypart before a competition...and OVERTRAINING comes from wheny you train a single bodypart too many times before it has a chance to recouperate..not when you hit it extra hard in the gym on the first go around for that week. its not going to cause any damage, im not using roids dumbasses, this **** is almost as safe and damn whey protein ... when i see some pics on here of any of you guys who are 10X better built than me, then maybe ill listen to your "words of wisdom" i posted this not to listen to criticism, but to give an opinion and have a question answered.

JORNT!!!!

U know what if i sounded like this when i was arguing with u bro, i apologize man, really I do.

Bro u really dont know whatyour talking about pros dont train for hours before a comp they actually back up pn their training the last few weeks. Your being very disrespectful man, and he guy your cussing out knows more about weight training than youll ever know.

45 minutes is plenty of time to train a muscle.

ALSO FYI! IN THOS E2 and 3 HOUR TRAINING SESSIONS YOUR GOING CATABOLIC BC YOUR IN THE GYM TO LONG! THATS WHY YOUR LOOKING FOR THE NEXT SUPPLEMENT TO GET U BIG RATHER THAN DOING SO WITH YOUR TRAINING!

Dont be disrespectful while asking for help it makes u look bad.

Enjoy the site!
AND

[Eroc]

hmmm well since i have like 20 posts to reply to ill just stick to what i can remember, and i dont care who is the most "Respected" person. Admirable yes, do I honestly care if hes just not someone i obviously dont like much? no not quite sorry. and who says different training methods dont work for different people...hmm well then why do some people make certain gains when others do not...working the same amount of hours with the same type of diet? i understand proper diet believe it or not, i understand prohormones and roids and gay as hell creatine.. so lighten up on that subject for one... and yes im sure a 12yr old is a member at golds gym...who in the hell makes comments like that? lol i honestly laughed at fagfitness.com but im almost willing to bet you read that before on someone else's post. and on a final note i wasnt asking for help...it was a question basically to get a topic started and people interested in posting so id have someone to read, learn from, or laugh at. and at no point in time do i intend to email the pros to ask them anything... ive gotten checked by the doctor before at being like a week or two from being 18..and having lifted for the duration of time that i have i quite understand my body well enough, i only get sick maybe once in 4 years, i pay attention to my heart rate, my diet, my training, and i dont always train 2-3 hours on a single bodypart...but i do when im trying to shock it out of a sticking point, even if it means it goes somewhat catabolic for a small period of time, when it returns to anabolic and gets enough protein it tends to get stronger and/or bigger. thats teh way it has worked for me. call bull**** if you like i really dont care.

and if you can stand being called a ****tard im afraid you have more problems that i do.

enjoy your day :)

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Eroc

hmmm well since i have like 20 posts to reply to ill just stick to what i can remember, and i dont care who is the most "Respected" person. Admirable yes, do I honestly care if hes just not someone i obviously dont like much? no not quite sorry. and who says different training methods dont work for different people...hmm well then why do some people make certain gains when others do not...working the same amount of hours with the same type of diet? i understand proper diet believe it or not, i understand prohormones and roids and gay as hell creatine.. so lighten up on that subject for one... and yes im sure a 12yr old is a member at golds gym...who in the hell makes comments like that? lol i honestly laughed at fagfitness.com but im almost willing to bet you read that before on someone else's post. and on a final note i wasnt asking for help...it was a question basically to get a topic started and people interested in posting so id have someone to read, learn from, or laugh at. and at no point in time do i intend to email the pros to ask them anything... ive gotten checked by the doctor before at being like a week or two from being 18..and having lifted for the duration of time that i have i quite understand my body well enough, i only get sick maybe once in 4 years, i pay attention to my heart rate, my diet, my training, and i dont always train 2-3 hours on a single bodypart...but i do when im trying to shock it out of a sticking point, even if it means it goes somewhat catabolic for a small period of time, when it returns to anabolic and gets enough protein it tends to get stronger and/or bigger. thats teh way it has worked for me. call bull**** if you like i really dont care.

and if you can stand being called a ****tard im afraid you have more problems that i do.

enjoy your day :)

So when you are at a sticking point, you train a muscle 2-3 hours and it grows again. Intresting... Question, after this, you go back to less time....and somehow it grows no with less time? So if I have a sticking point, then I lift heavier then ever before, so my muscles grow again (that makes sense), but after that, I can go back to pussy weight? Yeah right, good logic

I said diffrent things don't work diffrent for diffrent people (that's alot of diffrents).
Best training program, is the best training program. Diffrent results have are related to genetic factors, but those genetic factors doesn't say that program x is better for you and program y for your buddy (if you have any).

Is creatine gay? Dude, look at your, I grap my belt pose, THAT's gay. (Pm me for a date)

No I don't believe you understand proper diet or anything about roids, why would you ask a biginners question then?

Now, be a man and hit those guns for 4 hours now!

[Eroc]

Originally Posted by jornT

So when you are at a sticking point, you train a muscle 2-3 hours and it grows again. Intresting... Question, after this, you go back to less time....and somehow it grows no with less time? So if I have a sticking point, then I lift heavier then ever before, so my muscles grow again (that makes sense), but after that, I can go back to pussy weight? Yeah right, good logic

I said diffrent things don't work diffrent for diffrent people (that's alot of diffrents).
Best training program, is the best training program. Diffrent results have are related to genetic factors, but those genetic factors doesn't say that program x is better for you and program y for your buddy (if you have any).

Is creatine gay? Dude, look at your, I grap my belt pose, THAT's gay. (Pm me for a date)

No I don't believe you understand proper diet or anything about roids, why would you ask a biginners question then?

Now, be a man and hit those guns for 4 hours now!

for the sake of conversation? i could have come in here and asked what are your intercostals or what is a serratus anterior...where is your trapezius muscle...or what is creatine... what does creatine do....stuff like that..and i didnt say id go back to pussy weight i would just go back to the stripping method or 100's and other training techniques in a shorter time period with heavier weights and/or more repititions.

and your right about the different things for different people.... and no i dont have gym buddies because i dont like tlaking while im working out..no i dont try to talk to girls because for one im there to train not to stare at women, two ive been with my girlfriend now for a while and shes a pain in my ass and no other woman in the world is any better so why bother... and three im more likely to go and talk to them rather than stare....ive never had a problem tlaking to women...but thats not important ...what is ...is that i have been quite successful in my training techniques..and i know i feel more satisfied from a workout when it was either extremely hard in a short period of time...or extremely hard for a longer period of time ( i keep the intensity up the entire way through i have alot of endurance, so im not just doing light sets or light weight the whole time ) but yeah i just like training longer to get pack sticking points rather than training in other ways... are there any problems with any of what i just siad there? lol plz let me know...

[Diesel]

and your right about the different things for different people.... and no i dont have gym buddies because i dont like tlaking while im working out..no i dont try to talk to girls because for one im there to train not to stare at women, two ive been with my girlfriend now for a while and shes a pain in my ass and no other woman in the world is any better so why bother... and three im more likely to go and talk to them rather than stare....ive never had a problem tlaking to women

yawn...I was just joking about my comments w/ that. no need to take things personal here.

..but thats not important ...what is ...is that i have been quite successful in my training techniques..and i know i feel more satisfied from a workout when it was either extremely hard in a short period of time...or extremely hard for a longer period of time ( i keep the intensity up the entire way through i have alot of endurance, so im not just doing light sets or light weight the whole time ) but yeah i just like training longer to get pack sticking points rather than training in other ways... are there any problems with any of what i just siad there? lol plz let me know...

once again this shows that you really don't know a whole lot about training and/or diet.

EDIT: I haven't seen one post that is in agreement with you. Maybe this is a sign you are wrong?

[Eroc]

then why have i made more progress in the amount of time ive been training than anyone else i know personally...i have more separation and definition and detail than anyone else i know? people who go the gym or not... give me a damn break here i know what im talking about for me personally..you may not like it or agree with it ...but i know what im doing...i have no problem with advice....but smartass advice or annoying critical advice does me no good. and how in the hell does that second qoute " prove i know nothing about training" prove me wrong please? tell me something i dont already know?

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Eroc

then why have i made more progress in the amount of time ive been training than anyone else i know personally...i have more separation and definition and detail than anyone else i know? people who go the gym or not... give me a damn break here i know what im talking about for me personally..you may not like it or agree with it ...but i know what im doing...i have no problem with advice....but smartass advice or annoying critical advice does me no good. and how in the hell does that second qoute " prove i know nothing about training" prove me wrong please? tell me something i dont already know?

hahahahaha, where do you live, ectoville?

Tell you something that you didn't know, like bigben said, you don't grow in the gym, 2-3 is STUPID. So is 'the stripping method'

And you seem sexually frustrated. Your g/f is a pain in your ass....are you sure she's woman...

[Diesel]

you probably look better than anyone else you know because you are not natural. you can know 100% about training and diet naturally and still not look as good as a juicer would...for the most part at least. I've seen your pictures in the members section and honestly, my buddy looks better than you and he's natural.

Anyways, heres your overtraining articles that im sure you already know so much about.

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/callum18.htm

better ways to increase intensity than just training all afternoon
http://animalpak.com/html/article_de...ction=training

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/david53.htm

and yes the pro's do train for quite a bit of time but you have to remember that these guys have 4-6 grams of drugs running through their body and they eat like 6,000 calories per day. you can never compare yourself to a pro BB'er until you are taking those amounts of drugs. anyway, most pro's I know take a week off or back down on intensity when they hit a plateau.

EDIT: Jorn has a great point i forgot to mention. Remember, you grow in the kitchen not in the gym. What you are doing is just simply training more when you hit a plateau when in reality it's probably something with your diet and/or sleeping habits.

[Eroc]

Originally Posted by jornT

hahahahaha, where do you live, ectoville?

Tell you something that you didn't know, like bigben said, you don't grow in the gym, 2-3 is STUPID. So is 'the stripping method'

ugh2:

ectomorph...funny u fatass...... do you not get i am trying to make peace fudgepacker? get that thru that thick head of yours? and yes i know you grow while you are resting...which is just as important if not more important than the training yes i know i know....

hmm
you are really friggin off....lol "are u sure shes a woman" what else might you have to say? "omg ur such a queer" or are u even daring enough to go as far as "your momma bitch" dude comon if you are going to insult me, do it properly...dont insult me like were in junior high ok? please make it genuine, unique, intelligent, funny, and mean. otherwise there is no point, just as there is no point to you being in a gym know what i mean? im done with the insults for now if youd like to have a serious discussion

[Eroc]

Originally Posted by Diesel

you probably look better than anyone else you know because you are not natural. you can know 100% about training and diet naturally and still not look as good as a juicer would...for the most part at least. I've seen your pictures in the members section and honestly, my buddy looks better than you and he's natural.

Anyways, heres your overtraining articles that im sure you already know so much about.

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/callum18.htm

better ways to increase intensity than just training all afternoon
http://animalpak.com/html/article_de...ction=training

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/david53.htm

and yes the pro's do train for quite a bit of time but you have to remember that these guys have 4-6 grams of drugs running through their body and they eat like 6,000 calories per day. you can never compare yourself to a pro BB'er until you are taking those amounts of drugs. anyway, most pro's I know take a week off or back down on intensity when they hit a plateau.

EDIT: Jorn has a great point i forgot to mention. Remember, you grow in the kitchen not in the gym. What you are doing is just simply training more when you hit a plateau when in reality it's probably something with your diet and/or sleeping habits.

but yuo have to remember ive only been training a year. not even consistently with my schedule im lucky to get up to the gym a few days a week.... last summer wasnt able to train AT ALL .... and considering how young i am compared to some others in this forum....i would say im doing quite well...not going straight to my head of course.. and i didnt post them to show anything off because as far as im concerned i dont have anythign worth showing off yet...and youre right about the pro's i know that just as well as anyone...and i usually only ingest about 3000-3400 cals a day..and yes i keep track if that means anyhting to ya.

[Eroc]

and for the record i do take time off.. no more than a week and a day or so before i get back into serious training.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Eroc

but yuo have to remember ive only been training a year. not even consistently with my schedule im lucky to get up to the gym a few days a week.... last summer wasnt able to train AT ALL .... and considering how young i am compared to some others in this forum....i would say im doing quite well...not going straight to my head of course.. and i didnt post them to show anything off because as far as im concerned i dont have anythign worth showing off yet...and youre right about the pro's i know that just as well as anyone...and i usually only ingest about 3000-3400 cals a day..and yes i keep track if that means anyhting to ya.

there's your problem. you gota eat a little more. your pretty cut in your pictures so I would imagine you could get away with 4000 calories pretty easily depending on how clean the diet is.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Eroc

ectomorph...funny u fatass

Hahhahahahahahahahahahahaha, this guy called me a fatass. Now that's something new.

Diesel, did this guy really juiced? hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha.

Like I said before, I don't know what you're thinking, but you're not big for a natural. And if you juiced for this, you have the most pathetic juciced body I've ever seen.

(I've seen a 16 year old kid juiced once, and I though that was the biggest moron ever, but he was atleast bigger than you).


And you don't even train for a year and you think you made great gains? LOL. Everyone makes great gains their first year, even the biggest retards. So you haven't trained consistently...yet you seem to know everything about diet and training

Wow, 3400 tops, that's one little meal more then the avarage 18 year old.

Do you have before pic's? I wonder how worldst worst genes look like.

[Diesel]

he took prohormones which is basically the same as gear Jorn...just harder on your body w/ worse gains.

like jorn said you haven't really lifted consistantly yet so it really doesn't give you much to go by as far as gains. I just took 7 weeks off back in the spring b/c of some injuries and aside from that 7 weeks the past year I have taken maybe 2-3 days off b/c of other injuries or other crap goin on. You have to be consistant with your diet, your training and your sleeping habits.

Now that I have a little more info I can tell you that there is absolutely no reason you should be taking prohormones right now. You've been lifting for a year on and off. Stay consistant with your diet and your training and I am sure you will experience better gains than you have with prohormones.

[jornT]

@Eroc

Try this:
http://www.discount-body-building-su...com/synes.html

[Sarpzilla]

woah woah woah woah HST training TWICE per day!!!?!?!?!?