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Old 06-26-2006, 10:31 AM   #1
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If you were creating the ultimate supplement stack to bulk up on what would your top 5 choices be? Protein powder is a given, so leave that out...

1. BSN Endorush
2. CellMass
3. Labrada's SuperCharge
4. Animal M-Stak
5. Animal Stak
 
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IMO .. these are the top .. scintificly proven supps :

Whey
Creatine
Glutamine
Fish oil / Flax oil
ZMA ( not sure about his scintifc proven .. but i love it .. especially when u have porblems with ur sleep mode )
 
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IMO .. these are the top .. scintificly proven supps :

Whey
Creatine
Glutamine
Fish oil / Flax oil
ZMA ( not sure about his scintifc proven .. but i love it .. especially when u have porblems with ur sleep mode )
Word...I'd like to add joint support supps to this list also. It's all about the basics if you ask me.
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:01 PM   #4
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super 1. Unflavoured whey (cheapest protein source around) - but left out

I use cheap products now as the results still seem good and I save a bomb

1. CEE tablets (cheap ones, still work great for me)
2. MRP - damn usefules when about 40g protein, 15g carbs and tastes nice
good for cutting, can add peanut butter, oil and oats when bulking
3. malto/dextrose - if they count, VERY good for bulking in PWO shakes I think
4. Omega blend - I use Udos imitation :) , good for range of EFAs
5. L-glutamine (cheap one, only if money to burn also)
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:19 PM   #5
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ON 100% whey protein
ultimate nutrition ZMA
prolab creatine mono
prolab creatine
gnc mega men mutli...those are my personal top 5
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 08:00 PM   #6
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^^You use two types of creatine at the same time or that is just what you HAVE used?
 
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What's the difference between creatine monohydrate and creatine?
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:47 PM   #8
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1. Branch Chain Amino Acids
2. Creatine Monohydrate
3. Fish+Sesamin Oils
4. Anti-oxidants (post workout)
5. Multi-Vitamin
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:48 PM   #9
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yeah the difference between creatine and creatine monohydrate is that monohydrate got left out of the first creatine
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:15 AM   #10
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^^You use two types of creatine at the same time or that is just what you HAVE used?
opps, thanks for pointing that out...i wanted to put prolab glutamine...sorry guys, i got the syndrome lol
 
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:56 AM   #11
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Ok, I was about to say bro. Using that much creatine is just a waste of money. But glutamine will do too, good list.
 
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-Whey Protein
-Fish Oil
-Creatine Monohydrate
-Hydroxy Methyl-Butrate
-Multivitamin
 
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Old 07-08-2006, 11:15 PM   #13
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1. fish oil
2. multi-pack
3. whey
4. glutamine
5. creatine mono
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Old 07-08-2006, 11:44 PM   #14
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1- Whey Protein
2- Glutamine
3- Multi-V
4- Creatine Monohydrate
5- BCAA's
6- EFA's

i made it 6 u cant keep EFA's out
 
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Old 07-09-2006, 12:12 AM   #15
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Creatine Pure
Vanadyl sulfate
Glycerglow
Move free advanced
panax ginseng

(all good) :)
 
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Whey,Multi, Glutamine
 
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1. Kre-Alkalyn
2. Nitric Oxide Complex
3. Joint Suppliment
4. Glutamine
5. Amino Acids
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:15 AM   #18
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protein, creatine, multi-v, cycle support, (reserved cause it isn't being used right now)
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Old 07-28-2006, 09:55 AM   #19
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Multi
EFAs
Creatine
Cissus
Protien

The simplier you keep it, the easier it is to keep on it.
 
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1. Creatine
2. Protein powder
3. Cycle Support
4. Fish Oil
5. Cissus

HMB is also a useful supp IMO that deserves mention
 
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:37 PM   #21
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1. Multis
2. Whey protein
3. Creatine mono
4. EFA's
5. Green Tea Extract
 
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:11 AM   #22
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The top 5 I have tried, not including protein:

Noxplode (like it better than nano vapor & fast-twitch)
Nitrix- i have been getting amazing pumps w/ this
Endorush - best focus i have ever had
Men's One-A-Day - all those vitamins you need
Vitamin C - keeps me from getting sick
 
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Old 03-10-2008, 03:06 PM   #23
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What's the difference between creatine monohydrate and creatine?
Regular creatine monohydrate has been show to be effective at increasing lean muscle, muscle strength and endurance. However, regular creatine is absorbed poorly by the body and you rely on the cells ability to absorb it. Due to the poor absorption rate it requires a large dosages of creatine. Excessive amounts of monohydrate are hard on the liver. Excessive amounts can also lead to vomiting and diarrhea, same as if you start sucking in any other toxin.

Creatine ethyl ester(CEE) is a creatine monohydrate with an ester attached, the ester is significant as its found in the fat tissue of animals. Has an organic compound that is formed by esterification, the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols. Ethyl has been saaid to pass through liver better than the regular Monohydrate. CEE is proven to have up to 39 times more absorption rate.

Go with Ethyl Ester like BSN's CellMass.
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Regular creatine monohydrate has been show to be effective at increasing lean muscle, muscle strength and endurance. However, regular creatine is absorbed poorly by the body and you rely on the cells ability to absorb it. Due to the poor absorption rate it requires a large dosages of creatine. Excessive amounts of monohydrate are hard on the liver. Excessive amounts can also lead to vomiting and diarrhea, same as if you start sucking in any other toxin.

Creatine ethyl ester(CEE) is a creatine monohydrate with an ester attached, the ester is significant as its found in the fat tissue of animals. Has an organic compound that is formed by esterification, the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols. Ethyl has been saaid to pass through liver better than the regular Monohydrate. CEE is proven to have up to 39 times more absorption rate.

Go with Ethyl Ester like BSN's CellMass.
Most people i know on this site would say stick with creatine mono to start with. Although it does have a poor absorption rate it works for most people. However creatine ethy esters, malates ect dont work for everyone and can give quite undesirable side effects. Personally i have taken cellmass and felt nothing from it. When i have creatine mono it hasnt caused any effects apart from a strength increase and sometimes dehydration in the morning(easily fixed). My advice for people would be to try mono first and get a bench mark with it, then experiment after a few cycles of mono with ethy esters ect to see what works best for you.
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cellmass is a fake. there so called ethyl ester is really mono. Also monohydrate absorbs 25% better then ethyl ester. what the hell does it mean that CEE is proven to have up to 39 times more absorption rate.
That isn't even a sentance. It has a 39 times faster? Better? More would be the wrong superlative.
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:21 PM   #26
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cellmass is a fake. there so called ethyl ester is really mono. Also monohydrate absorbs 25% better then ethyl ester. what the hell does it mean that CEE is proven to have up to 39 times more absorption rate.
That isn't even a sentance. It has a 39 times faster? Better? More would be the wrong superlative.
1-"Up to 39 times more absorption rate" YES, work better because you absorb more than Mono.

2-CellMass is award winning : 2007 Creatine ProductOf The Year - These awards were not only chosen based on sales (which is like a vote from a customer in itself), but also on votes from the general public, experts in the industry, and from Bodybuilding.com employees as well.
These awards are completely unbiased.


3-Creatine ethyl ester is definitely one of the best supplements on the market. Creatine monohydrate is the cheapest but it has many side effects and doesn't work nearly as well as CEE. The monohydrate has a very tough time getting absorbed into the muscle cells so it surrounds each cell causing the person to bloat and retain water. Does putting more gas in your car make it go faster? No, it is the rate it is taken in and burned. The bloating makes the user of monohydrate constantly thirsty as it uses a lot if water to get absorbed through the lipid layer of the cell. The creatine that is not absorbed and used after a while turns into creatinine, a byproduct that is considered a toxin to the body. The liver works very hard constantly making enzymes to break down the creatinine. Excessive amounts of monohydrate are hard on the liver. Excessive amounts can also lead to vomiting and diarrhea, same as if you start sucking in any other toxin.

4-CEE is proven to have up to 39 times more absorption rate. This takes away all the serious side effects of the monohydrate and works much better. CEE does not cause bloating, so there is much less water being wasted in attempts to get into the cell. Some water is needed with CEE because you are moving that much more weight (if your car takes in and burns more gas, it will need to use more oil). It is very hard to cause diarrhea or vomiting with CEE unless you exceed around 10g in a short amount of time.


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...but I suppose your professional references are saying it's still fake
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ok, that's a filed complaint. Definitely not the 1st for a supplement and not the last. Where's the trial date? What was the outcome if any? In the end all I can say is that it works for myself and many others I know. 2 of their other products have worked great as well.

And again, Ethyl is better...it's proven.
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About the "supplement police", have you noticed that all of their "Certified" supps are their own? they have the same address as Supplement Direct's.

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Sports supplements at great prices, whey protein, creatine, brand names

That site is just a bit biased.
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