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Old 04-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #61
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Creatine & Beta Alanine
Beta-alanine is a non-essential amino acid found naturally in both the body and in foods such as chicken or whale meat... not that many of us eat whale, of course.

When beta-alanine is ingested, it enters the blood stream and is taken up by muscle cells. It then becomes what I call the "rate limiting substrate" to carnosine synthesis. Now, carnosine is a dipeptide found primarily in fast-twitch muscle whose primary function, as far as you and I are concerned, is bufferinghydrogen ions (H+).

So without beta-alanine, carnosine doesn't get produced, and you don't have the buffering of hydrogen ions.

Dr. Hoffman and his colleagues assembled a highly trained group of 33 college football players and split them into three groups: a creatine group who took five grams twice daily; a creatine and beta-alanine group who took the same amount of creatine plus a total of 3.2 g of beta-alanine daily; and a placebo group, who took nothing.

Prior to and following the 10-week study, the researchers measured the athletes' body composition, body weight, one-rep maxes in the bench press and squat, and had them keep a log of their training. All were placed on a weight training program that included all the usual suspects: bench presses, squats, deadlifts, power cleans, incline presses and flyes, rows, etc.

Here's what they found: when you combine creatine and beta-alanine, your training volume goes up and you get stronger. The athletes were able to knock out more reps with the same weights, and although this was the case with the other groups, it happened to a greater and more significant extent in the creatine plus beta-alanine group. The one-rep bench and squat max was significantly higher than that seen in the placebo group.

The most impressive results of beta-alanine, at least in this study, were its effects on lean mass gains and fat loss, effects not seen in either of the two other groups.

Only in the creatine plus beta-alanine group did the investigators record a significant increase in lean mass, with percentage of fat dropping roughly 1.2%.

Oh, by the way, they were not on a restricted caloric diet. They ate whatever they wanted and still lost fat!

This adds promise to a supplement that, until this study, could only be viewed as a performance enhancer. Fat loss is also a benefit you just don't get from creatine alone.
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Creatine ingested in combination with simple carbohydrates substantially increases muscle creatine accumulation compared with the ingestion of creatine alone. However, creatine supplements would need to be ingested with very large quantities of simple carbohydrates to achieve an insulin-mediated stimulation of muscle creatine transport.

The results of recent study indicate that the ingestion of creatine, in conjunction with about 50 g protein and about 50 g of carbohydrates, is as effective in stimulating insulin release and whole body creatine retention as ingesting creatine in combination with almost 100 g of carbohydrates. However, authors proposed that ingestion of carbohydrates alone, or in combination with protein, in an effort to augment muscle creatine accumulation will probably only be highly effective on the first day of supplementation.

Results of pilot study indicate that co-administration of creatine with low-doses of D-pinitol may offer a non-caloric means of augmenting whole body creatine stores. Effervescent creatine supplementation appears to be no more effective than ingesting creatine monohydrate alone. Creatine serum has no effect on muscle ATP or creatine stores even when taken at eight times the recommended dosage for 5 days. Caffeine has been reported to adversely affect the efficacy of creatine supplementation.

According to recent review by Dr. Persky and coworkers, "A short loading phase of 2-3 days taking 0.071 g/kg bodyweight (equivalent to 5 g for a 70 kg person) four times a day is suggested. Creatine should be taken with a high-carbohydrate meal or beverage, but high-fructose components (e.g. fruit juice) should be avoided because fructose does not elicit a significant insulin response. After the loading phase, creatine can be taken once daily at a dosage of 0.029 g/kg bodyweight to maintain muscle levels. This regimen should cause rapid increases in muscle creatine without overuse of the supplement."15
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:17 AM   #62
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excellent work dude..
it were my parents that had doubts about my creatinine supps..i gave them many articles to read but they all were much distorted..your article was convincing enough for them i guess.
any ways i had problem of loose motions for few days and i do look bulky...my diet has increased a lot...i eat and eat...lost all my abs...need help
 
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I have not seen much on KA but I take it personally. I was using SCI FIT version but I am starting on AA EFX because I found I could get it cheaper than SCI FIT.

Anyway, I find it to work wonders in my system. I am 6'1" 210lbs near 39 years old.

I take pill in the morning and 1 in the evening on an off day. I was taking 2 in the morning and 2 about 30 minutes before a workout according to SCI FITs directions.

EFX says to take 2-4 pills at breakfast on your off day and take 1-2 pills 1 hour before training and then 1-2 pill immediately afterward. I am going to begin doing this just to see if there is any difference.

I have used Mono in the past and really seen nothing from it in my sytem. KA I love because I do not need to mix it with a juice with sugar to get it into my system and with KA it all goes into the muscle. If I do not get enough water in my system my bottom lip usually gets a dry feeling.

Some days I wake up and I have a vascular feeling and sometimes am shocked to see how big my biceps are.

I have never done CEE but from the comments I have heard about it I don't think I would want to either.

For me KA is the way to go for sure!!!
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I read most of the article! I have heard of even veterinary useage of creatine in dogs to help in older age.
I have used it before with good results, seemed to bloat me like crazy but I was able to work out muscles longer
 
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does any one have a preference between pill and powder form?
 
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:06 PM   #66
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I personally prefere powder but thats just because I dont like pills very much.

What part of the us are you at now?, I use to live in fife but now stay in kansas and playing "soccer" for the college. What about u?
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:55 PM   #67
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i take it in pill form, i've got nothing against the "horse tablets"
 
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:38 AM   #68
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In the end everyone reacts differently as Diet, Genetics, Sleep and your Lifting Routine all play a vital role.
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quick question. i sometimes mix my creatine with my weight gainer shake at night after training. is this ok? will the two mixed mess with the absorption of the creatine to a large degree or will i not have to worry about that?
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:43 AM   #70
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I would say don't mix a protein based supplement with creatine, it could slow down the absorption rate, try to take the creatine before the weight gainer.
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I would say don't mix a protein based supplement with creatine, it could slow down the absorption rate, try to take the creatine before the weight gainer.
alright thanks.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:32 PM   #72
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Great thread and articles! I'm getting mixed reactions about when to take it. I definitely know I need to take it pwo but if I'm going to sleep like 2 hrs after my workout do I need to take another serving before bedtime or am I fine with just one serving a day pwo? Also I'm gonna start taking cellmass in case you were wondering.
 
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Could anyone please advise me on the best time to take creatine on days off from the gym. Just started using it again for the 1st time in years. Thanks!
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I just take 2.5-5g in the morning on off days.
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on the label of the stuff i use it recommends to take 2 servings a day for a person my weight (220) during the maintenance stage. is it really necessary that i take 2? or would i be fine taking just 1 serving a day on both training and non training days?
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Non-training days 1 time a day is fine.

Training days I recommend twice a day whether it be Morning and PWO or Pre and PWO.
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ya thats what i thought would work best. thanks man
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Guys if the label says take 6-8 hours after your first serving, is it really bad to like miss an hour? like take it 9 hours after? i'm referring to CellMass Creatine btw.
 
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Guys if the label says take 6-8 hours after your first serving, is it really bad to like miss an hour? like take it 9 hours after? i'm referring to CellMass Creatine btw.
Are you loading it or something.. I take my creatine mono hydrate pre & post workout,,. 1tsp
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Are you loading it or something.. I take my creatine mono hydrate pre & post workout,,. 1tsp
Nope. According to the label :

Serving 1: Mix 1 scoop with 4-6oz of cold water or any beverage of your choice immediately following your workout (on an empty stomach). Serving 2: Mix 1 scoop with 4-6oz of cold water or any beverage of your choice, 6-8 hours before or after your post-workout serving (on an empty stomach).
 
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Serving 1: Mix 1 scoop with 4-6oz of cold water or any beverage of your choice immediately following your workout (on an empty stomach). Serving 2: Mix 1 scoop with 4-6oz of cold water or any beverage of your choice, 6-8 hours before or after your post-workout serving (on an empty stomach).

Sorry but I wont have an empty stomach 6 to 8 hours after my post workout,, I eat every 2 - 2.5 hours
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i hve a q. here which is betta ? creatine b4 workout or after or during workout ??
 
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i hve a q. here which is betta ? creatine b4 workout or after or during workout ??
I normally go for creatine before the workout and protein after the workout for recovery, now there are certain types of creatine that supposidly are designed for post workout, but I am not sure what the difference is there. I prefer to take it before so that I get a good workout in.
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Guys this may be a retarded question but it's my first time on creatine so be gentle please . I jsut finished my tub of bsn cellmass. I got great gains from it and i'm definitely a hell of a lot bigger. I'm even eating healthier too. But my question relies in weight gain...now i know there's gooing to be some due to water but i noticed too that my pants are a little snug when they weren't before. Is this normal and now that i'm going to come off of creatine (cylcle period right?), i'm assuming my waist size will drop back to normal?
 
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For a few years I was a protein only guy, afraid to test the creatine waters. Now I am a believer. Creatine is best supplement anyone can take. If you have a healthy liver and kidney functions and workout on a regular basis this supplement is for you.

I even saw an article that said Creatine has been perscribed to advanced AIDS patients for maintaining body weight with life saving results. Your muscles aid in blood flow and cell reproduction including T cells. Good post chap!
 
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Guys this may be a retarded question but it's my first time on creatine so be gentle please . I jsut finished my tub of bsn cellmass. I got great gains from it and i'm definitely a hell of a lot bigger. I'm even eating healthier too. But my question relies in weight gain...now i know there's gooing to be some due to water but i noticed too that my pants are a little snug when they weren't before. Is this normal and now that i'm going to come off of creatine (cylcle period right?), i'm assuming my waist size will drop back to normal?
Yes you can gain a little water weight. Just keep your self well hydrated and (if not already) get 20 minutes of cardio everyday and it will sweat out.
 
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Yes you can gain a little water weight. Just keep your self well hydrated and (if not already) get 20 minutes of cardio everyday and it will sweat out.
Yep you were right. Been off it for half a month and already notice the drop in weight. I'm not weaker in any way just skinnier. Ugghh
 
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with this do u spread it throughout the day? and would u do most of it pre and post-workout?

stacking it w/ arginine and bcaas pre-workout and w/ bcaas and glutamine postworkout
 
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:30 AM   #89
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with this do u spread it throughout the day? and would u do most of it pre and post-workout?

stacking it w/ arginine and bcaas pre-workout and w/ bcaas and glutamine postworkout

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"Grab the bull by the horns the old addage goes.
nobody tells you where to go from there.
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Today I'll become the bull"
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:56 AM   #90
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rad, thanks for the link Johnny
 
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