[swoleN]

What do you guys think of this stuff

http://www.planetarynutrition.com/AL...lriwarfare.htm

[Jon8than]

lol you guys dont know what your talking about check out logs on this product

[Viperspit]

Hmm, I guess the results I'm getting with it must be placebo

[Robby]

A friend of mine took it double dosage for PCT for 6 weeks and actually put on muscle which is very rare especially during PCT.

[Viperspit]

There's a few guys logging Jungle Warfare over at AM, here's a link to mine if you're interested:

Viperspit's Pants Ripping, Mega MASS building plan with ALRI - AnabolicMinds.com Forum

[Stinger124]

I have been reading some pretty good post about the product to..
((( Good Things )))

[yeahright]

It's a surprisingly effective product combining a well known AI (same used in Ultrahotter and AX's PCT) with a nettle root extract which combines with sexual hormone binding globulin to allow for more free testosterone (like DS' Activate). I was pretty skeptical at first but have got to say that my subjective opinion is quite high (no bloodwork though so it's just a gauge of my subjective feelings). This is essentially similar to DS' NHA stack.

[DonPengu1n]

A friend of mine took it double dosage for PCT for 6 weeks and actually put on muscle which is very rare especially during PCT.

Robby

Did he take only that for PCT, no nolva or any clomid?

Also what did he run for his cycle?

JW

-The Don

[Robby]

Originally Posted by The Don

Robby

Did he take only that for PCT, no nolva or any clomid?

Also what did he run for his cycle?

JW

-The Don

Don he took Nolva plus Jungle Warfare.He's cycle was some OTC Prohormone.

[LakeMountD]

I don't usually diss a product until I try it or have many closer friends or trusted people who do but I am definitely skeptical. Seems a bit pricey for the effects that are possible. I know this has a large part to do with the markup that resellers are using when selling these products, however. I don't really like this about it, the fact that it is insulinogenic. Insulin may be protein sparing but when exercising it also switches your body's fuel source from fat to glucose.



Insulin and glucagon releasing activity of coleonol (forskolin) and its effect on blood glucose level in normal and alloxan diabetic rats.

Ahmad F, Khan MM, Rastogi AK, Kidwai JR.

Division of Biochemistry, Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, India.

Colenol, a diterpenoid isolated from the roots of Coleus forskohlii stimulates the release of insulin and glucagon from the islets both in vitro and in vivo. Colenol-stimulated release of glucagon from islets in vitro is much more pronounced as compared to that of insulin. Glucose concentration of 5.6 mM in the medium is required for the colenol stimulation of insulin release. Feeding of coleonol to alloxan diabetic rats cause 36.5% increase in blood glucose level as compared to alloxan diabetic control. Oral feeding of coleonol for 7 days to normal rats causes increase in blood glucose, serum insulin, glucagon and free fatty acid levels with corresponding increase in glucose-6-phosphatase activity and depletion of liver glycogen. Predominant stimulation of A-cells by coleonol is suggested for the above effects.

[FitnFirm]

Oh, I see we are back to the rats huh? What about human studies, got any of those?

Originally Posted by LakeMountD

I don't usually diss a product until I try it or have many closer friends or trusted people who do but I am definitely skeptical. Seems a bit pricey for the effects that are possible. I know this has a large part to do with the markup that resellers are using when selling these products, however. I don't really like this about it, the fact that it is insulinogenic. Insulin may be protein sparing but when exercising it also switches your body's fuel source from fat to glucose.



Insulin and glucagon releasing activity of coleonol (forskolin) and its effect on blood glucose level in normal and alloxan diabetic rats.

Ahmad F, Khan MM, Rastogi AK, Kidwai JR.

Division of Biochemistry, Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, India.

Colenol, a diterpenoid isolated from the roots of Coleus forskohlii stimulates the release of insulin and glucagon from the islets both in vitro and in vivo. Colenol-stimulated release of glucagon from islets in vitro is much more pronounced as compared to that of insulin. Glucose concentration of 5.6 mM in the medium is required for the colenol stimulation of insulin release. Feeding of coleonol to alloxan diabetic rats cause 36.5% increase in blood glucose level as compared to alloxan diabetic control. Oral feeding of coleonol for 7 days to normal rats causes increase in blood glucose, serum insulin, glucagon and free fatty acid levels with corresponding increase in glucose-6-phosphatase activity and depletion of liver glycogen. Predominant stimulation of A-cells by coleonol is suggested for the above effects.

[LakeMountD]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

Oh, I see we are back to the rats huh? What about human studies, got any of those?

As far as insulin release it doesn't matter if they are rats and humans. If it is insulinogenic it is insulinogenic. I just hate rat studies that go into saying things like "900% increase in muscle mass in 23 minutes!!!", etc. I am not knocking the product, I was just posting that up because it wouldn't be very good to take before a workout.

If you want to spend that kind of money on a product go for it, but it is very pricey.

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by LakeMountD

As far as insulin release it doesn't matter if they are rats and humans. If it is insulinogenic it is insulinogenic. I just hate rat studies that go into saying things like "900% increase in muscle mass in 23 minutes!!!", etc. I am not knocking the product, I was just posting that up because it wouldn't be very good to take before a workout.

If you want to spend that kind of money on a product go for it, but it is very pricey.

LMD, Viper and I both take it and 3 times a day, with meals. Morning, Dinner and bedtime. We have had nothing but good come from it so far, and I was taking this before I was rep! As far as money goes, Ill pay for anything that works, and does what it says it does, I dont mind paying for results. JW has helped me get over a few road blocks already in the strength department which make FnF a very happy girl .

Its cool that while bulking and taking JW that we both look leaner and more defined, while upping our cals 2 times now, but yet have increased strength and size. Im loving it!

[LakeMountD]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

LMD, Viper and I both take it and 3 times a day, with meals. Morning, Dinner and bedtime. We have had nothing but good come from it so far, and I was taking this before I was rep! As far as money goes, Ill pay for anything that works, and does what it says it does, I dont mind paying for results. JW has helped me get over a few road blocks already in the strength department which make FnF a very happy girl .

Its cool that while bulking and taking JW that we both look leaner and more defined, while upping our cals 2 times now, but yet have increased strength and size. Im loving it!

Again don't get me wrong I am not knocking a product I haven't tried by any means. Just saying I could spend my money on better things to get better results. If it works it works :). I might give it a shot in PCT :).

[FitnFirm]

Originally Posted by LakeMountD

Again don't get me wrong I am not knocking a product I haven't tried by any means. Just saying I could spend my money on better things to get better results. If it works it works :). I might give it a shot in PCT :).

There has been a few logs I found where people did use it on PCT with good results. Ya know LMD, my whole focus is to get bigger biceps than yours