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Old 05-21-2006, 08:55 PM   #1
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Hey guys my first show is in 13 days and i will be starting my pct from my pre-comp cycle in one week. My plan is to start my new bulk diet on june 5 along with igf-1 as a bridge. I have i pretty good idea of how my diet is going to look but im looking for some feed back from you all.

currently
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190@6%bf (still holding water) Lean mass is around 175?

Calorie goal im shooting for 6000-7000 clean as possable
The understanding that I have with the igf-1 is 3x lean mass in protein and 700-800 carbs per day for best results.

meal 1
12 whites,2whole,2cups (dry oats) 1 or 2 banana
meal 2
12-15oz chicken/steak/fish,200G broccoile,5-7 brown rice cakes with 1tbls of almond butter on each.
meal 3
weight gainer shake (low sugar high complex carbs) with 2tbls groung flax seeds 1 boch pear/apple
meal 4
same as meal 2 but with 2 cups mashed sweet potatos insted of rice cakes.
pwo shake 75G whey protein 75G dextros
meal 5
12-15 oz meat large baked potato 200G brocc/asparagus.
meal 6 (bedtime)
weight gainer shake with flax seeds and some rice cakes with almond butter.

this is totally just a rough draft so any ideas will be used.

thanks guys what do ya think?
 
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Old 05-22-2006, 12:00 AM   #2
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OK im gonna throw something in here to save a lot of work for your kidneys! Please dont take in so uch protein every meal. dont take in more than 40G of protein per meal your body wont use any more than that, and all that extra protei is just more hard work for your kidneys bro. if u want more protein in your diet add more meals to your meals schedule dont go above 45 max though bro thers no reason for that.

Avoid eating so much sugar/dextrose afetr your workouts 75G! just gonna make u fat bro u dont want to go for getting fat u want to build muscle.

The reason we as bodybuilders are suppose to get fat in the offseason is bc we over eat Healthy Foods to put on muscle. sugar is terrible for u and hard on your body as well, and who wants to go through a glucose crash ike that everyday bro. stcik to like 15g high GI carbs per meal and like 40-50 low GI carbs. works just as well for putting on muscle, just wont get u fat. again i woulnt go above 60 carbs per meal bc eating to much of any kind of carb will cause a GI crash aswell.

thats all i can see, your doing the right thing by getting healthy fats in their bro Good idea!
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wow now thats a serious reply!! Thanks bro for the feed back and great info! i will take it all into consideration. the only reason i had it set up that way is just because what i have read about the igf1 is it allows your body to absorb SO much more than it would normaly but i guess i was wrong. thanks for the info. so you dont recomend dextros PWO? Iv never actually done it i just thought it was important PWO? Thats the only part of my diet where i have simple carbs.

thanks bro for the great info
 
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u can have simple carbs just not that much like PWO u can go for like 20-25 G simple carbs the rest slow burning. for a total of like 60-70 carbs for PWO.
 
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wow now thats a serious reply!! Thanks bro for the feed back and great info! i will take it all into consideration. the only reason i had it set up that way is just because what i have read about the igf1 is it allows your body to absorb SO much more than it would normaly but i guess i was wrong. thanks for the info. so you dont recomend dextros PWO? Iv never actually done it i just thought it was important PWO? Thats the only part of my diet where i have simple carbs.

thanks bro for the great info
I'm not an expert in igf1, but I also believed that you needed to eat your ass off when using it, but I don't know if easting so much sugar is part of that as BB said.

IMO, I would keep bumping this thread till more people see it and respond.
 
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I disagree with BigBen, there is nothing wrong with 75 g of dextrose PWO while bulking.
 
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Old 05-22-2006, 11:56 PM   #8
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Hey guys my first show is in 13 days and i will be starting my pct from my pre-comp cycle in one week. My plan is to start my new bulk diet on june 5 along with igf-1 as a bridge. I have i pretty good idea of how my diet is going to look but im looking for some feed back from you all.

currently
5'6"
190@6%bf (still holding water) Lean mass is around 175?

That's impressive bro - good work - best of luck and post some pictures from your show when you're done.

Calorie goal im shooting for 6000-7000 clean as possable
The understanding that I have with the igf-1 is 3x lean mass in protein and 700-800 carbs per day for best results.

I would taper your calories on a gradual increase. Don't come out of the stall shooting for 6k-7k right off the bat. The initial 1-2 weeks after coming off the contest diet will be hard enough to get used to so take it easy until you're at least back on your feet. Also, I don't recommend anymore of an increase than 20% in your total caloric intake every four weeks (current diet 4k cal, jump to 4800 in four weeks, jump to 5760 in four weeks etc - you could also just say 10% every two weeks if you don't want to wait to see how your body reacts though I feel that is always the best course of action).

For bulking throw a whey shake (40g-60g) with water in here immediately upon waking - 1/2 an hour to an hour before "meal 1" so as to stave off catabolism from fasting period

meal 1
12 whites,2whole,2cups (dry oats) 1 or 2 banana

Looks good

meal 2
12-15oz chicken/steak/fish,200G broccoile,5-7 brown rice cakes with 1tbls of almond butter on each.

Leave out the fats and rice cakes. The fats are tempting for caloric needs but bump up the total calorie count with sweet potatoes or brown rice instead of fats and rice cakes etc.

meal 3
weight gainer shake (low sugar high complex carbs) with 2tbls groung flax seeds 1 boch pear/apple

Weight gainers (despite what the jug says) are not nearly as good as food. Replace this with meal 2 example.

meal 4
same as meal 2 but with 2 cups mashed sweet potatos insted of rice cakes.

Good stuff (make sure to leave out the fats if you aren't already doing so)

pwo shake 75G whey protein 75G dextros

NOTHING wrong with this amount of simple carbs PWO (even from dextrose - though you may want to go half and half with dextrose/maltodextrin if possible)

meal 5
12-15 oz meat large baked potato 200G brocc/asparagus.

Nothing wrong here except it is now acceptable to throw in some fats if you would like (either the almond butter or just a spoonfull of olive oil) - (disclaimer - unless you are running slin PWO)

meal 6 (bedtime)
weight gainer shake with flax seeds and some rice cakes with almond butter.

Go with another meal here or use a casein based protein. The weight gainer has too many sugars to realistically help you through the night with steady insulin levels. The flax seeds and almond butter is okay too though I would bloat like a fish with the rice cakes - but if it works for you just start off slowly.

this is totally just a rough draft so any ideas will be used.

thanks guys what do ya think?
Overall, you need more real food and less MRP's. Also, go up in your calories slowly. As for the protein comsumption, no worries. The IGF should help with protein synthesis and ultimately the best indicator for you - IS YOU. If your stomach hurts from eating that much protein in one sitting either cut it back a little and add another meal or two or throw in a digestive enzyme if all else fails. Also, I can eat way more than 60g of carbs per meal and NEVER experience an insulin crash - however, others cannot - SO LISTEN TO YOUR BODY.

Up your water intake to two gallons a day and listen to YOUR body and watch the mirror.
 
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wow now thats a serious reply!! Thanks bro for the feed back and great info! i will take it all into consideration. the only reason i had it set up that way is just because what i have read about the igf1 is it allows your body to absorb SO much more than it would normaly but i guess i was wrong. thanks for the info. so you dont recomend dextros PWO? Iv never actually done it i just thought it was important PWO? Thats the only part of my diet where i have simple carbs.

thanks bro for the great info

oh my bad man i didnt take into consideration the IGF, other members on the board are better with the drugs n what not i dont know w whole lot about the igf and slin
 
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Overall, you need more real food and less MRP's. Also, go up in your calories slowly. As for the protein comsumption, no worries. The IGF should help with protein synthesis and ultimately the best indicator for you - IS YOU. If your stomach hurts from eating that much protein in one sitting either cut it back a little and add another meal or two or throw in a digestive enzyme if all else fails. Also, I can eat way more than 60g of carbs per meal and NEVER experience an insulin crash - however, others cannot - SO LISTEN TO YOUR BODY.

Up your water intake to two gallons a day and listen to YOUR body and watch the mirror.
totally awsome relpy bro brovo zulu!!! ive posted this thread on like 5 boards and that is the most informative reply iv gotten!! and i plan to do exactly waht you have sugested!!! Ramping up with the cals is very smart! do you think i should wait with the igf till im at max cal intake or should i just start it as plained?? the weight gainers i can take you i was just going to use um till my stomic streched out and got fermiluar with the portions. but all in all great advive all around your the man!!!!
 
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:13 PM   #11
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Good advice fog_hat

I agree with everything.

 
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