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Old 04-27-2006, 02:10 AM   #1
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since you cant have dairy and ZMA in you at the same time (well you CAN, but you aren't supposed to because the Zinc won't digest), which should you sacrifice to consume before bed?
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 03:25 AM   #2
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since you cant have dairy and ZMA in you at the same time (well you CAN, but you aren't supposed to because the Zinc won't digest), which should you sacrifice to consume before bed?
No sacrifice is necessary.

Have your ZMA, then wait a half hour to eat your cottage cheese.
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 06:55 AM   #3
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i'm doing the same thing as flex said .. take ur ZMA and wait for 30 mins .. after that have ur meal and go to sleep and get horny by ZMA
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:03 AM   #4
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I've posted this one a couple of times before, but one can tell me if it's correct or BS.


Calcium and ZMA in Instant Mass, a good combination?
09 Sep 2004
A lot of people have been asking why we put ZMA in our Instant Mass, when the calcium present in the protein prevents the effective absorption of the ZMA. Well here is the answer…

First of all you can mix calcium with ZMA contrary to what so called "experts" might say.

I'll explain why. ZMA is a simple mix of Zinc Monomthionine, Magnesium Aspartate, and Vitamin B6.

Both Zinc Monomethionine and Magnesium Aspartate are amino acid chelated. Chelation is a chemical process in which amino acids are reacted with minerals to form chelates. A better way to describe them would be mineral peptides. They have a very small molecular weight (less than 800 Daltons) and are treated by the body, or the digestive system , as small peptides. Much like a di-peptide. They pass straight through the intestine wall.

Herein lies the tremendous failing and misunderstanding of the calcium/ZMA rigmarole. It is true that Zinc/Calcium/Magnesium salts will compete for absorption in the intestine. BUT only salts, i.e. Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Citrate etc. When we look at say Zinc Monomethionine for example it compromises 20% Zinc and 80% L-monomethionine. You can now see the science behind chelated minerals and why they are so effective.

Unfortunately people will often just pick up a book and read that Zinc should not be taken with Calcium. Even the marketers of ZMA still do not fully understand how it is absorbed, which is downright negligence.

A great deal of our research into minerals and there application for sports nutrition comes from Albion Labs in the USA. Pioneers in amino acid chelation.

So till you know for sure, I suggest you do as flex said.

q80 is always horny so don't mind him.
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:20 AM   #5
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Optimized Testosterone Levels
Its a plain fact, if you are deficient in one area, whether that be protein intake, vitamin intake, mineral intake or sleep something is going to suffer! Period! Whether that be your growth hormone or testosterone levels. There are two particular trace minerals in particular that I will discuss today. I do this because they have such a profound effect on our ability to get gains from training. The first is:

Zinc
If you are deficient in this mineral you are seriously sabotaging your efforts! A deficiency will noticeably decrease muscle strength and endurance! Zinc literally promotes healing, tissue repair, and muscle growth. And as I was discussing earlier it helps to optimize and increase Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1, Growth Hormone, and the all mighty Testosterone! In addition, many of the enzymes that prevent the buildup of lactic acid (the "fatigue acids") require zinc. Doesn't sound like something you want to mess with does it? Exactly!

The second trace mineral is:

Magnesium

A deficiency in this mineral will decrease oxygen delivery to your muscle tissue. Magnesium promotes
muscle strength and endurance. What is really exciting is that it also is proven to promote relaxation.
Magnesium also activates enzymes necessary for the metabolism of carbohydrates and amino acids.
This is also something you do not want to find yourself deficient in.
The Facts!
That being said, several studies conducted by the USDA show that 68% of self-selected diets contain less than two thirds of the RDA for zinc and 39% contain less than two thirds of the RDA for magnesium! Those are studies that have been run on average people who do not lead active lives. To compound this stat an athlete has been shown to deplete zinc and magnesium levels at a much higher rate than the non active person. For example, there was a study conducted called "Strenuous Running." The runner's daily losses of zinc were 50% greater on a run day compared to a non-run day. (2) In addition, in a study called "Biochemical Indices of Selected Trace Minerals in Men: Effect of Stress," blood levels of zinc and other trace minerals were determined in 66 men before and after a five-day period of sustained physical and psychological stress. Zinc levels decreased by 33%!

A Solution
An easy solution would be to simply supplement with these two minerals. However there are some rules to the procedure.

a. take it 30 minutes before bed on an empty stomach ( you should digest at least 1-2 hours before taking this supplement )

The reason why I say to take it 30 minutes before bedtime is because zinc's effect on healing, tissue repair, and muscle growth is maximized during sleep. The largest daily burst of natural growth hormone occurs during stage 3 and 4 sleep (about an hour and a half after going to sleep). Insulin, testosterone, zinc, and magnesium increase the effect of growth hormone. So, this is the time you want zinc and magnesium at a peak level in the bloodstream.

b. The dosage should consist of: Magnesium: 450mg, Zinc: 30mg

c. Do not take anything that has calcium in it with zma! Calcium competes ferociously with the absorption of it!

Studies
There have been quite a few studies showing increased test and growth hormone levels threw the supplementation of ZMA. I have taken the liberty of including one of those studies in our archives. You can view it by clicking here

Overview Of Supplementation

1. Increased muscle strength and endurance.

2. A decrease in muscle cramps and pulls.

3. Faster healing and recovery from injuries.

4. Improved concentration and alertness.

5. Decreased water retention.

6. Deeper relaxation during sleep

Conclusion
There is only one way to train! And that is to go 200 percent every time you hit the gym, Period! However with this attitude comes a responsibility to optimize recovery. We need to pay attention to areas that lack in our diets! Today I discussed just one of them. An area that if neglected, will noticeably slow our gains. Which for any serious athlete is unacceptable!

Jacob Wilson
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:23 AM   #6
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ZMA (Zinc monomethionine aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate) is a supplement used by bodybuilders and athletes. It was developed by Victor Conte (founder of BALCO Laboratories in Burlingame, California) and is a blend of zinc, magnesium and vitamin B6. The formula is patented and the name "ZMA" trademarked by SNAC Systems Inc. It is used because research has suggested that it raises testosterone and IGF-1 levels which aids gains in muscle size and strength. Studies have also suggested that ZMA increases the quality of sleep - helping the body repair itself after a hard exercise. Evidence also shows that ZMA tends to cause highly lurid and vivid dreams in some of the population.

A deficiency in zinc and magnesium is common in the general population. However, in athletes and very active people it is even more common due to these minerals being lost during exercise.

ZMA is a synergistic blend of two minerals, zinc and magnesium, and a vitamin, Vitamin B-6 or pyridoxine. All three of these compounds are extremely important in biological processes, and USDA studies have shown that less than 70% of Americans get enough zinc, and less than 40% get enough magnesium. It has also been shown that increased exercise can lead to losses of vitamins and minerals. Zinc is particularly important from a bodybuilding standpoint due to its role in testosterone production. The old story about oysters being an aphrodisiac is probably related to the fact that they are high in zinc. Low levels of zinc and magnesium have a strong adverse effect on muscle growth. The vitamin B6 helps with the absorption of both zinc and magnesium. So, it's obvious that people need these minerals and vitamins. What makes ZMA different is the form of the zinc, and the ratio in which it is combined with magnesium and pyridoxine. NOTE: As this description is used by merchants selling the ZMA product, it should be viewed in that light.

The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6. This supplement should never be taken with calcium, as calcium blocks the absorption of zinc. Any ZMA supplement that has calcium in it should be avoided. ZMA should also be taken before bed on an empty stomach (2 hours after eating your last meal and at least 30 minutes prior to any other supplements).

ZMA use is not banned by any athletic organisations.

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Scientific studies
A 1999 study [1] was undertaken on NCAA Football players during an 8 week spring training program. Those who took the ZMA tablets showed greater increases in muscle strength, free testosterone levels, and IGF-1 levels. These ZMA study results were presented by Dr. Brilla (a sports performance researcher at Western Washington University) on June 2, 1999, at the 46th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine in Seattle, Washington. It is important to note that this study was funded by SNAC Systems Inc. (the patent holders) and that one of the study's authors (Victor Conte) has equity in this company.

Another study [2] in 2004 found that ZMA has no effect on strength or hormone levels.

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References
^ Brilla LR, Conte V (1999). "A novel zinc and magnesium formulation [ZMA] increases anabolic hormones and strength in athletes". Sports Medicine, Training and Rehabilitation Journal. online (archive link, was dead; history). Results were also published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, Vol. 31, No. 5, May 1999
^ Wilborn Colin D. et al (2004). "Effects of Zinc Magnesium Aspartate (ZMA) Supplementation on Training Adaptations and Markers of Anabolism and Catabolism". Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 1 (2): 12-20.
Lukaski HC (2000). "Magnesium, zinc, and chromium nutriture and physical activity". American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 72 (2): 585s-593s.
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:54 AM   #7
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BTW good reads philo :) .. thx brother
 
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Old 04-27-2006, 12:06 PM   #8
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oh kickass. thanks guys.
 
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