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Old 04-17-2006, 03:07 PM   #1
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Hi! I've read through the stickies (and my own research) and I like the look of the following 2 diets:

Ketogenic - Also known as the Cyclic Ketogenic Diet (CKD) The idea here is similar to the low carb diet, except carbs are virtually eliminated from the diet completely which makes the body go into ketosisr (produce ketones which are reported to be anabolic while promoting fat loss at the same time...For simplicity's sake, we won't get into all of that here.) As with a low carb diet, the body will be using mostly dietary fats (healthy fats only) as it's main source of fuel. Carbs are generally kept at around 15-20 grams per day.

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Low fat - The way this type of diet reduces calories is by virtually eliminating dietary fats, while keeping carbohydrate intake relatively high compared to the above two diet types. The body uses carbs as it's main source of fuel. While on this diet, you will still want to get around 20 grams of healthy or "good" fats per day.


Is the Ketogenic diet basically atkins? Also... which is has less impact of muscle?

Thanks for any advice!!
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 03:16 PM   #2
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Eek - i've just read that if you are diabetic you shouldn't go on the ketogenic diet.

But, does anyone have any advice for the Low Fat diet?
 
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Hi! I've read through the stickies (and my own research) and I like the look of the following 2 diets:

Ketogenic - Also known as the Cyclic Ketogenic Diet (CKD) The idea here is similar to the low carb diet, except carbs are virtually eliminated from the diet completely which makes the body go into ketosisr (produce ketones which are reported to be anabolic while promoting fat loss at the same time...For simplicity's sake, we won't get into all of that here.) As with a low carb diet, the body will be using mostly dietary fats (healthy fats only) as it's main source of fuel. Carbs are generally kept at around 15-20 grams per day.

or

Low fat - The way this type of diet reduces calories is by virtually eliminating dietary fats, while keeping carbohydrate intake relatively high compared to the above two diet types. The body uses carbs as it's main source of fuel. While on this diet, you will still want to get around 20 grams of healthy or "good" fats per day.


Is the Ketogenic diet basically atkins? Also... which is has less impact of muscle?

Thanks for any advice!!
I tried the anabolic diet or ckd if you will last year. It works great, if you do cardio and are able to stay in ketosis which is harder than you'd think. Also, if you have a gf or live with someone, don't start the diet. It's messy and disgusting at times. And no, ckd is nothing like atkins. Atkins will eat away your muscles since there are no carbs troughout the diet. CKD allows weekly carbups which are amazing.

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Rapid fatloss if done correctly
The weekends are amazing
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Disgusting at times
Can cause nausia and sleeping problems

I'm currently trying a "normal" diet with low fat and good clean foods which I must say, works better for me. Could be of the morning cardio on empty stomach but still. I also allow one cheat day per week.

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Good fatloss with cardio
No disgusting foods
Feeling better
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The cardio is tough
A bit boring food

Both diets will get rid of the fat when done correctly but every body is different, so my advice would be, try them both.

(Could go on, but don't want to)
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Old 04-17-2006, 03:18 PM   #4
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If you wanna try ckd I would suggest getting a book about the subject. Search for "anabolic diet" or "ckd".
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Thanks for the comprehensive input PumpingIron.

I've decided to go with Low Fat, after reading up on the side effects of CKD. I have 2 follow up questions:

1: When should I do my cardio? Straight after my workout or completely seperately?
2: What's your view on Ice Water to help speed up metabolism?

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Thanks for the comprehensive input PumpingIron.

I've decided to go with Low Fat, after reading up on the side effects of CKD. I have 2 follow up questions:

1: When should I do my cardio? Straight after my workout or completely seperately?
2: What's your view on Ice Water to help speed up metabolism?

THANKS!!!
1. Best done seperatly. I do my cardio saturday and sunday in the morning on empty stomach. It's a fat eater.
2. Don't know
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Thanks! The input is much appreciated. I'm going to post a question on this in the training forum.

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