[CJU]

i started this diet about a week and a half ago and i have LOST 4 pounds which is BAD because i'm bulking! basically what i'm doing is having a good amount of fats/protiens but lowcarbs with meal A, and a good amount of carbs/protiens but low fats with meal B. so every other meal has fats or carbs. i read that this was good to do for insulin spiking so i expected to gain weight...but i lost it! also sometime i'm doing different is taking in alot less carbs...before this diet i was way over doing it wih carbs ( i was eating probably 300+ EACH DAY).

now i eat high carbs on training days (but still lower than what i was eating before), and lower carbs during off days. i'll go ahead and post my diet on any given day.

7:30 am (breakfast)- 7 egg whites. multi vitamin+flaxseed tablet. creatine.

11:00-11:25 (lunch. i've been at school)- 2 scoops of whey protien in 15oz water.(or if it's a training day, 1/2 scoop of a weight gainer supp)1/2 cup of oatmeal. a piece of fruit (banana or apple)

3:00-3:30(getting home again from school) 8 oz chicken breast. 2 flaxseed tablets. spoonfull of olive oil. maybe i'll throw in something else with healthy fats, it depends.

5:00-whole wheat bread(nothing with enriched in ingredients),half can of tuna, 1 scoop of whey protein. (workout in 1 hr)

5:30- different whey protien specificly for pre and post workout consuming.

6- workout. less than 2 mins after i finish i have another scoop of that special whey powder in grape juice. 1 serving of creatine and glutmine aswell.

7:30-8 oz chicken breast. oatmeal. maybe i will have some of whatever my mom cooked for dinner (which is always clean food. she is diabetic, she diets too).

11:00-flaxseed tablet. multi vitamin. half can of tuna. another good fat source. varries. 1 scoop of whey protien in water.

on each low carb meal i never go over 5g of carbs, and each low fat meal i don't got over 5g of fat.


anyone see anything wrong? how should i change my diet for training/off days?

[Flex]

woah, that seemed like far too low in calories to be able to bulk.

Drop the flax seed tablets and stick to olive oil for fats. Why are you having so many low carb days while trying to bulk? You need to up the carbohydrate intake. When I was bulking I had at least eight meals a day and aimed for 100 grams of carbs each meal. I was eating 2 cups of oatmeal or a big plate of whole wheat pasta while you are munching down 1/2 cup of oats or 1 piece of toast. I think you arn't getting muscle glycogen replenishing carbohydrates post workout either which would probably be the most important factor on whether you grow or shrink. Also, you should be getting a slow digesting protein source before you sleep.

Many holes I see in this diet!

[CJU]

oh ****....! well i weigh 197 so i think 100g carbs per meal would be excessive...plus i want to insulin spike, so carbs every meal is bad, right? if i'm not mistaken, insulin spiking is very anabolic, isn't it?

and what do you suggest i eat post workout? and whats a good slow digesting protien?

[Big Red Machine]

dude your over-relying on protein powder its good dont get me wrong but you should eat more solid food, and if your trying to put weight on you should definetly eat red meat i dont know if you like it but if you want quality mass thats your tool.and the low carb thing is great, just beacause your bulking it doesent mean you should put fat on.so eat a little more solid food and red meat(if you like it)and you should put on some hardcore mass good luck dude

[jornT]

Originally Posted by big red machine

dude your over-relying on protein powder its good dont get me wrong but you should eat more solid food, and if your trying to put weight on you should definetly eat red meat i dont know if you like it but if you want quality mass thats your tool.and the low carb thing is great, just beacause your bulking it doesent mean you should put fat on.so eat a little more solid food and red meat(if you like it)and you should put on some hardcore mass good luck dude

Low carb is great?

[Flex]

Originally Posted by CJU

oh ****....! well i weigh 197 so i think 100g carbs per meal would be excessive...plus i want to insulin spike, so carbs every meal is bad, right? if i'm not mistaken, insulin spiking is very anabolic, isn't it?

and what do you suggest i eat post workout? and whats a good slow digesting protien?

You don't need slow, you need fast. An even amount of dextrose/maltodextrin will do the trick.

[CJU]

yeah, whey protien is fast. and i know i need fast for post workout. i mean whats a good slow digesting for before bed?

[jornT]

Caseine, go for cottage cheese

[CJU]

cottage cheese has fat and carbs both though...isn't it bad to have both carbs and fat in one meal?

[Flex]

Originally Posted by CJU

cottage cheese has fat and carbs both though...isn't it bad to have both carbs and fat in one meal?

That's why we buy low fat cottage cheese. You are on a bulk man, you can't be concerned with carbs so much.

[Sarpzilla]

1% cottage cheese

Or casein Protein Shakes

tried a sample the other night, they're awesome.

[Nothin' but a peanut!!]

lol 100g carb to bulk lol
its easire to lose fat than it is to gain muscle: so EAT!
then you can cut it out later!

[Flex]

Originally Posted by Bob Villain

1% cottage cheese

Or casein Protein Shakes

tried a sample the other night, they're awesome.

Both are fine!

[thabrownbeast]

Originally Posted by CJU

i started this diet about a week and a half ago and i have LOST 4 pounds which is BAD because i'm bulking! basically what i'm doing is having a good amount of fats/protiens but lowcarbs with meal A, and a good amount of carbs/protiens but low fats with meal B. so every other meal has fats or carbs. i read that this was good to do for insulin spiking so i expected to gain weight...but i lost it! also sometime i'm doing different is taking in alot less carbs...before this diet i was way over doing it wih carbs ( i was eating probably 300+ EACH DAY).

now i eat high carbs on training days (but still lower than what i was eating before), and lower carbs during off days. i'll go ahead and post my diet on any given day.

7:30 am (breakfast)- 7 egg whites. multi vitamin+flaxseed tablet. creatine.

11:00-11:25 (lunch. i've been at school)- 2 scoops of whey protien in 15oz water.(or if it's a training day, 1/2 scoop of a weight gainer supp)1/2 cup of oatmeal. a piece of fruit (banana or apple)

3:00-3:30(getting home again from school) 8 oz chicken breast. 2 flaxseed tablets. spoonfull of olive oil. maybe i'll throw in something else with healthy fats, it depends.

5:00-whole wheat bread(nothing with enriched in ingredients),half can of tuna, 1 scoop of whey protein. (workout in 1 hr)

5:30- different whey protien specificly for pre and post workout consuming.

6- workout. less than 2 mins after i finish i have another scoop of that special whey powder in grape juice. 1 serving of creatine and glutmine aswell.

7:30-8 oz chicken breast. oatmeal. maybe i will have some of whatever my mom cooked for dinner (which is always clean food. she is diabetic, she diets too).

11:00-flaxseed tablet. multi vitamin. half can of tuna. another good fat source. varries. 1 scoop of whey protien in water.

on each low carb meal i never go over 5g of carbs, and each low fat meal i don't got over 5g of fat.


anyone see anything wrong? how should i change my diet for training/off days?

Dude your diet for bulking is not very good. First off your not getting enough carbs! You rely wayyy toomuch on whey protein. You need chicken breast (has a tone of protein and less than1g of carbs), eat tune, whole wheat past, whole wheat bread, cottage cheese, milk (skim milk, milk is high in sugar so be careful), overall you need to seriously redo your meal plan, cause you'll keep losing weight. You need a 40/40/20 ratio of Carb/Protein/Fat diet. Fat is 9calaories per gram, Carb and protein are 4cal per gram. Here is my diet and I am bulking as well. I weight 184lbs and intend on reaching to about 200 by the end of august. First i'll list a grocery list you should take a look at:

PROTEINS

Boneless, Skinless Chicken Breast
Tuna (water packed)
Fish (salmon, seabass, halibut)
Shrimp
Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%)
Venison
Buffalo
Ostrich
Protein Powder
Egg Whites or Eggs
Ribeye Steaks or Roast
Top Round Steaks or Roast (aka Stew Meat, London Broil, Stir Fry)
Top Sirloin (aka Sirloin Top Butt)
Beef Tenderloin (aka Filet, Filet Mignon)
Top Loin (NY Strip Steak)
Flank Steak (Sir Fry, Fajita)
Eye of Round (Cube Meat, Stew Meat, Bottom Round , 96% LeandGround Round)
Ground turkey, Turkey Breast Slices or cutlets (fresh meat, not deli cuts),
ground chicken

COMPLEX CARBS

Oatmeal (Old Fashioned or Quick Oats)
Sweet Potatoes
Yams
Beans (pinto, black, kidney)
Oat Bran Cereal
Rye Cereal
Brown Rice
Farina (Cream of Wheat)
Multigrain Hot Cereal
Whole wheat or Spinach Pasta
Rice (white, jasmine, basmati, Arborio, wild)
Potatoes (red, baking, new)

FIBROUS CARBS

Green Leafy Lettuce (Green Leaf, Red, Leaf, Romaine)
Broccoli
Asparagus
String Beans
Spinach
Bell Peppers
Brussels Sprouts
Cauliflower
Cabbage
Celery
Cucumber
Eggplant
Green or Red Pepper
Onions
Pumpkin
Garlic
Tomatoes
Zucchini

FRUIT

(if acceptable on diet): bananas, apples, grapefruit, peaches, strawberries,
blueberries, raspberries, lemons or limes

HEALTHY FATS

Natural Style Peanut Butter
Olive Oil or Safflower Oil
Nuts (peanuts, almonds
Flaxseed Oil

DAIRY AND EGGS

Low-fat cottage cheese
Eggs
Low or Non-Fat Milk
Bottled Water


CONDIMENTS & SPICES

Diet Soda
Crystal Light
Fat Free Mayonnaise
Reduced Sodium Soy Sauce
Reduced Sodium Teriyaki Sauce
Balsamic Vinegar
Salsa
Hot Peppers and Hot Sauce
Chili powder
Mrs. Dash
Steak Sauce
Sugar Free Maple Syrup
Chili Paste
Mustard
Extracts (vanilla, almond, etc )
Low Sodium beef or chicken broth
Plain or reduced sodium tomatoes sauce, puree, paste)

NOW HERE IS MY DIET:
Food Calories Fat Carbs Protein

2 scoop oats 240 4 40 8
1 scoop protein 110 1 2 23
1% milk 108 2.7 12 8.5
bananna 90 1 23 1
Total 548 8.7 77 40.5

3 slices WW bread 270 3 48 10.5
Tuna 75 4 0 19
Total 345 7 48 29.5

PWO (Post Workout Shake)
2 scoops protein 220 2 4 46
1scoop gatorade 133 0 33 0
Total 353 2 37 46

1 cup vegetables 72 0 14 4
1cup brown rice 260 1 46 7
chicken breast 145 1 1 27
Total 477 2 61 38

Small tossed green salad 50 1 6 2
1 potato 136 0.39 31.5 2.1
2 egg whites eggs 34 0 0 7
Total 220 1.39 37.5 11.1

2 slices whole wheat bread 180 1 32 7
Beef burger 200 13 2 19
Total 380 14 34 26

1 scoop protein or chicken breast… 110 1 4 23
Assorted greens 40 1 6 2
Fish/Meat 200 9 15 5
2 egg whites 34 0 0 7
Total 384 11 25 37

Total 2707calories 46.09g of fat 319.5g of carbs 228.1g of protein