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Old 03-12-2006, 09:47 PM   #1
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Okay guys i've been trying to eat healthy and follow a good meal plan, but i need help cause i have a hectic schedule, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

i recently turned 18yrs old and am a senior at Dalton High School, i have two part time jobs. One is for 4 days a week monday through friday. as an apprentice engineer at the big Utilities company in my city i work from 12:00p.m.- 5:00p.m, also at this job i just sit at a desk in my cubicle and work on the computer the whole time, so i am pretty much inactive. and the second one i work at only on the friday and saturday, i work third shift at a gas station 10p.m.-7a.m at this job i am standing most of the time and am pretty active. i total a little over 40 hours a week with both jobs. well i am currently bulking, i am already pretty big, but want to go for a little longer, and then begin to cut. my problem is that i also want to get rid of a little fat around my abdomen, more over on my sides than the actual stomach. i am currently 235lbs, and am 6' 3''. i don't know what my body fat percentage is, and just to let you know i am pretty content with the way everything else on my body is right now, except for like mentioned before my sides, abdomen area.
i train two days on one day off. and do abs and cardio two days a week.

this my schedule:
monday through thursday: 6:00 a.m. wake up get ready for school
7:15a.m. class begins
11:15a.m. lunch break
11:45a.m. get out of school head to work
12:00p.m. start work
5:00p.m. get out of work
5:15p.m. get home change and get ready to work out. (on non work out days i do different things).
5:45p.m. get to gym
6:00p.m. begin workin out
between8:00-9:00p.m finish workin out
9:00p.m. get home
9:15p.m eat meal
9:30-12:00p.m. homework, watch tv.
12:00p.m. go to sleep
then the day begins again
on fridays it's the same up till when i get out of school, if i don't have to make up time for being out or late during the week from work i head home at 12:00p.m.
then i hang out for about three and half hours, in this time i eat lunch and then go workout at 4:00, i usually get out by 6:30p.m. and then go home and chill for 2 and a half hours, at this time i eat a meal, at 9:00p.m. i get ready for work and at 10:00 i begin working, i have a snack or two between 10:00p.m. and 7:00a.m. i get home at 7:30a.m. if my rotating workout schedule has me working out on saturday, i go workout at 8:00a.m. and get out at 10:00a.m. i get home, and go to sleep at 10:30a.m. i wake up at around 7:00p.m. and the chill and eat a meal until 9:00p.m. i get ready for work and then i begin workin again at 10:00p.m. i do the same as the night before and then i get out at 7:00a.m. and get home and eat a meal and then go to sleep at 8:00a.m. i get up around 4:00p.m and if i have to go work out that day i go workout, i get out of the gym around 6:30p.m. i get home and from 7:00p.m till 11:00p.m. i do homework and get ready for school the next mornin as well as eat a meal, and chill, then my monday through thursday schedule begins again.

just a note:mon.-thurs. i eat a small breakfast consisting of a bowl of cereal or a glass of milk and some sort of bread. my lunch is school lunch so it's not too good, i eat a chicken sandwich, a bag of dorito chips, and 2 small cartons of skim milk. at work i eat an apple, orange, or some other fruit, then after workin out i eat something like boiled pinto beans, rice, or chicken, tuna, or somethin else, and drink water or sometimes a soft drink.
on saturdays and sundays i usually only manage to squeeze in about two real meals.

my supplements:
mon.-thurs. i take my multivitamin in the morning when i wake up and then i at night before i go to sleep, on workout days i take my creatine and protein before my workout and then take my creatine right after workout, my protein i take again before goin to sleep. on non-workout days i drink my multivitamins the same and i drink my creatine once a day, and my protein before goin to sleep.
on fridays and saturdays instead of takin my protein before goin to sleep i take it instead before goin to work.

so as you can see i have a pretty busy schedule, but bodybuilding is important to me so i try my best, but i need a little help making a meal plan. i would much rather take in fewer calories if possible and burn more so that i can lose that gut area.
 
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Old 03-12-2006, 11:33 PM   #2
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First of all, congratulations on trying to improve yourself. At least you're not asking for help with things other than diet as your nutrition is the biggest factor in achieving what you want physically.

Secondly, can you eat and drive? - I eat and drive ALL THE DAMN TIME but it is something that I have learned to be able to do pretty damn well...

Lastly, I would like to see you lay out either your current diet or a proposed diet like this....

Meal 1 - (Time) - foods, supplements

Meal 2 - (Time) - foods, supplements

Meal 3 - (Time) - foods, supplements

And so on......

If you do this it will make it MUCH easier for us to help you!




P.S. What sort of foods do you hate, what sort of things do you not have access to (whether it is money problems etc), do you live at home where someone can help you prepare a meal or two or are you completely on your own with money (food and supplement support) and food preparation - I only ask because you are still in H.S. etc
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:22 AM   #3
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i can eat and drive i think or atleast try haha!

meal 1:bowl of cereal, or cup of milk and bread
meal 2:chicken sandwich, chips, 2 cartons of skim milk
meal 3:apple, orange, or other fruit
meal 4:beans, rice, chicken, tuna, or something like that

on saturdays and sundays i sometimes don't even get all 4 meals!
hey man i will not anything with onions, or brocolli, other than that i will try it. and my mom can probably help me with the cooking, if not i can try myself, and just name the best kind of food and meals, money is not a problem.

appreciate the help!
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:49 AM   #4
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Have you looked at the Nutrition 101 sticky and the bodybuilder's grocery list? Both great sources of info. On the basis of what you read there you should be able to deduce how to tweak your diet in order to acheive your goals.

As an aside, i noticed (from the timetable provided) you are in the gym for something like two hours. That is a long time to be training.

Good luck with everything man. By the way, pretty impressed with your whole schedule. I have a couple of years on you and i am still stubbornly resisting entering the real world. Respect.
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:48 PM   #5
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hey de_battre i have looked at those two topics and found them helpful, but i need a a little more help, and tips from u guys with expirience, hey in those two hours i also play a little basketball, and also i workout with a friend so our sets take a little longer to do since it is two people instead of one. thanks man i am trying my best to sculpt the body i have always wanted and compliments such as these are always great motivation and well i am going to keep on trying, but of course i will need help along the way and i am glad to know i have a place and people who can help me! thanks
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 05:09 PM   #6
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Old 03-13-2006, 08:27 PM   #7
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Hey man, i don't think there is anything too offensive in your present diet. Two things that leap out are that you are having chips with your second meal (which you probably realise isn't all that healthy, they have the kind of fat you don't want to be getting too much of) and your third meal consists of simple sugars, not the best type of carbs. Personally, i wouldn't discourage eating fruit because i think the benefits of eating fruit outweigh the negatives - it depends how serious you want to get about all this.

Other than that, i suppose you know you can't 'spot reduce', that is, you can't lose fat from just one part of your body. If you want to lose the fat around your abs you have to lose a little from everywhere. Since you still want to bulk more it is your choice if you want to lose some fat now to even things out and then bulk or whether you want to keep bulking and then get rid of the lot.

Hope this helps man. I am no expert, just going on general principals i have picked up along the way. If nothing else maybe when one of the guys who really knows his shit reads this and corrects the hell out of me we'll both learn something!

Cheers.
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 10:01 PM   #8
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thanks i appreciate the advice, i eat the chips with the lowest fat percentage, but only cause that's the only the thing to eat other than the chicken sandwich.
i think i am going to cut down and then bulk up again, just to get my abdomen the way i want it!
 
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Okay guys i've been trying to eat healthy and follow a good meal plan, but i need help cause i have a hectic schedule, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Help is all around you bro - all you have to do is read. Almost everything that you can think to ask has been asked and answered several times on a board somewhere on the internet. Read, read and then read...

i recently turned 18yrs old and am a senior at Dalton High School, i have two part time jobs. One is for 4 days a week monday through friday. as an apprentice engineer at the big Utilities company in my city i work from 12:00p.m.- 5:00p.m, also at this job i just sit at a desk in my cubicle and work on the computer the whole time, so i am pretty much inactive. and the second one i work at only on the friday and saturday, i work third shift at a gas station 10p.m.-7a.m at this job i am standing most of the time and am pretty active. i total a little over 40 hours a week with both jobs.

I am not going to say that you don't have it rough but try factoring in flights, photo shoots, guest appearances etc on top of what you try to do and you might think you have it rough then. In other words, it is mind over matter, finding what works for you and being determined enough to reach your goals.

well i am currently bulking, i am already pretty big, but want to go for a little longer, and then begin to cut. my problem is that i also want to get rid of a little fat around my abdomen, more over on my sides than the actual stomach. i am currently 235lbs, and am 6' 3''. i don't know what my body fat percentage is, and just to let you know i am pretty content with the way everything else on my body is right now, except for like mentioned before my sides, abdomen area.
i train two days on one day off. and do abs and cardio two days a week.

First of all, let's try a diet that is very clean but still allows you to maintain size. That should help with your bodyfat but let you keep the muslce mass you currently have. However, after reading that you "play basketball" and shoot the breeze with your workout partner I am going to say that you need to get your shit together. You can't have a fun laid back experience at the gym and expect to get any type of great gains.

this my schedule:
monday through thursday: 6:00 a.m. wake up get ready for school
7:15a.m. class begins
11:15a.m. lunch break
11:45a.m. get out of school head to work
12:00p.m. start work
5:00p.m. get out of work
5:15p.m. get home change and get ready to work out. (on non work out days i do different things).
5:45p.m. get to gym
6:00p.m. begin workin out
between8:00-9:00p.m finish workin out
9:00p.m. get home
9:15p.m eat meal
9:30-12:00p.m. homework, watch tv.
12:00p.m. go to sleep
then the day begins again
on fridays it's the same up till when i get out of school, if i don't have to make up time for being out or late during the week from work i head home at 12:00p.m.
then i hang out for about three and half hours, in this time i eat lunch and then go workout at 4:00, i usually get out by 6:30p.m. and then go home and chill for 2 and a half hours, at this time i eat a meal, at 9:00p.m. i get ready for work and at 10:00 i begin working, i have a snack or two between 10:00p.m. and 7:00a.m. i get home at 7:30a.m. if my rotating workout schedule has me working out on saturday, i go workout at 8:00a.m. and get out at 10:00a.m. i get home, and go to sleep at 10:30a.m. i wake up at around 7:00p.m. and the chill and eat a meal until 9:00p.m. i get ready for work and then i begin workin again at 10:00p.m. i do the same as the night before and then i get out at 7:00a.m. and get home and eat a meal and then go to sleep at 8:00a.m. i get up around 4:00p.m and if i have to go work out that day i go workout, i get out of the gym around 6:30p.m. i get home and from 7:00p.m till 11:00p.m. i do homework and get ready for school the next mornin as well as eat a meal, and chill, then my monday through thursday schedule begins again.

I refuse to write a diet based around this schedule - I will right out a workout day diet and a non-workout day diet that says when to eat. If you have conflicting appointments then make it work. You can eat a meal consisting of 8oz chicken, 1 cup of greens and a sweet potato in less than 10 minutes so it isn't THAT damn bad. If you can't eat in class, behind the gas station counter, or in your cubicle then step away for a few minutes and eat in your breakroom/car. MAKE things work for YOU and it will all fall into place. My schedule changes all the damn time but I know what I am eating within an hour of waking and then EVERY two hours after that. Just make it routine and get past any mental obstacles you THINK you are facing.

just a note:mon.-thurs. i eat a small breakfast consisting of a bowl of cereal or a glass of milk and some sort of bread. my lunch is school lunch so it's not too good, i eat a chicken sandwich, a bag of dorito chips, and 2 small cartons of skim milk. at work i eat an apple, orange, or some other fruit, then after workin out i eat something like boiled pinto beans, rice, or chicken, tuna, or somethin else, and drink water or sometimes a soft drink.
on saturdays and sundays i usually only manage to squeeze in about two real meals.

This right here screams to me that...

1. You are still a "kid"
2. You don't know diddly about diet

However, it can be fixed IF you listen and make it work for you.


my supplements:
mon.-thurs. i take my multivitamin in the morning when i wake up and then i at night before i go to sleep, on workout days i take my creatine and protein before my workout and then take my creatine right after workout, my protein i take again before goin to sleep. on non-workout days i drink my multivitamins the same and i drink my creatine once a day, and my protein before goin to sleep.
on fridays and saturdays instead of takin my protein before goin to sleep i take it instead before goin to work.

What kind of protein? I suggest ON's 100% Whey for you to get started. As for creatine and multivitamins, find something on a good website so you can save yourself (or parents) some money but still maintain quality. I am not familiar with who this board favors so I won't any names out yet.

You are also going to want to throw in a few capsules of either fish body oils or flax seed oils as this diet will be pretty "lean" and you will need to the "healthy" fats the oils will provide.

Also, the increase protein will make your stomach upset for about a week but IT WILL PASS. I would advise a digestive enzyme taken with each meal to help absorb all the protein more efficiently and to help with the stomaching of the protein.

Last supplement tip, AT LEAST A GALLON OF WATER A DAY - NO LESS!!!!!!!


so as you can see i have a pretty busy schedule, but bodybuilding is important to me so i try my best, but i need a little help making a meal plan. i would much rather take in fewer calories if possible and burn more so that i can lose that gut area.

Try this, your workouts must be INTENSE and shouldn't last more than an hour unless your are hitting legs or back. Other than that, you should be in and out of the free weight section.

Also, to help you lose your love handles I will reccomend 30 minutes of cardio AFTER your workout. You probably can't pull off cardio first thing in the day so just stick with this scenario for now. Your cardio should consist of something similar to the treadmill, incline set at halfway to the top, and a speed of 3.5-4.0 (trust me, at your height that should be too bad).

I want to see your workout program (sets, reps, particular exercises and machines etc, along with weights) as soon as you have the time to post it. Chances are that you are either over training or half-assing it with mediocre exercises (I don't want you to think I am being condescending - I am just basing my opinions off of what you display in your posts).

Next, I don't know your BMR but we can start with a ballpark of 3000 maintenance calories and since your diet is so poor now we will leave you around this mark to see what happens for the next 3-4 weeks. I am sure you will see some changes IF you do as directed.

Now, once you read the diet you are going to ask yourself - HOW IN THE HELL DO I FIX ALL OF THIS FOOD AND STILL HAVE TIME FOR MY OBLIGATIONS? Don't worry bro. Find 2-3 hours out of one day (maybe a Sunday afternoon or early morning before or after your nap from the night shift) and prepare EVERYTHING. It takes me a total of 3 hours to prepare ALL of my meals and I am in the middle of a contest diet so things ARE STRICT and everything has to be prepared. It takes 2-3 hours to cook 30-60 chicken tenders (half a breast), several cups of rice and sweet potatoes. Greens can be cooked in no time too but since they are so simple it is best to cook them a day or two ahead of time as opposed to letting them get soggy in the fridge for the entire week. Invest in some cheap "gladware" or the generic brand (I say invest not because it is expensive but more because you need a TON of it and you will lose some along the way etc).

Diet - Make this fit your schedule. Wear a stop watch set to go off at 3 hour intervals if you have to but work it around your life - no exceptions.

Workout Day...

IMMEDIATELY Upon Awakening - that means no more than 10 minutes
Meal One: Protein Shake (40 grams whey) mixed with water

Half and Hour Later
Meal Two: 8-9 Egg Whites and 1 Whole Egg, 1 cup of either brown rice or oats

3 Hours Later
Meal Three: 8-10 ounces lean meat (see tuna, chicken, fish, lean ground beef, lean cuts of steak, ground turkey breast, veal, buffalo etc etc etc), 1 cup of brown rice/or oats/or 1 sweet potato, 1 cup of greens

3 Hours Later
Meal Four: See Above

One Hour Before You Workout
Meal Five: 4-6 ounces lean meat and 1 cup of brown rice/or oats/or 1 sweet potato

Immediately Following Workout
Meal Six: Often Reffered to as PWO (Post Workout Meal)
40 Grams of Whey mixed with water and 60-80 grams of carbs (studies can't decide whether low glycemic or high glycemic work better so...) either Dextrose and MaltoDextrin (see "CarboGain and Dextrose") or 1.5 - 2 cups of oats - you decide...

Within an Hour of PWO Shake
Meal Seven: 8-10 ounces lean meat, 1 cup of greens (either green beans, brocolli, spinach - something of this nature if I didn't mention it already), and some healthy fats (either a cup of nuts - see peanuts, almonds etc OR 2-3 tablespoons of peanutbutter etc).

2-3 Hours Later (Don't eat this meal within an hour of bedtime)
Meal Eight: same as above

FINISH

Now - on non workout days, sub in another meal where your pre and post workout meals would be and rest your body. It gets more critical to do things differently on days off the further into the game you get but don't worry about that now.
Seems pretty bland huh? Get creative with seasonings and fat-free sauces. Also, figure in no more than 2 cheat meals a week (they have to be PLANNED or they can get out of control fast) so you can stay on track. The cheat meals will serve as a mental reward and help keep your metabolism from becoming complacent.

Notice your meals are protein/carbs in the first half of the day and the later meals are mainly protein fats. Try this out for a while, it has worked great for me so see what happens. You never know what you can be capable of if you don't at least TRY this diet for 4 weeks solid and stick to it. Try the Green Eggs and Ham, you just might like it...

I don't want to run the risk of sounding like an asshole but take this advice - IT IS A SOLID DIET (even though others can critique if they feel the need as EVERYTHING could be improved upon). Use it and you will hear everyone around you saying - "Dude, WTF happened to MexicanMuscle - he looks crazy! I need to ask him what I need to do blah blah blah...."

Lastly, prepare your meals and you will succed :)....
 
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Old 03-14-2006, 01:33 PM   #10
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hey thanks for all this help man! i understand that my life my not be as rough as others but i didn't write so you guys could feel sympathy or anything like that, i just wanted to include every detail possible so you guys could have a full understanding of where i stand and help make a suitable meal plan for me. Another thing i think you got the whole partner thing wrong, i do not shoot up the breeze or anything like that, i take training seriously, and i do all my sets and reps at maximum potential, i don't like goofing around neither does my partner, i tried to say that since it's two of us it takes a little longer to do our exercises, but not much longer. oh i only play basketball after i finish my complete workout. if you could check out my training log under the training log section you can see my workouts.

as for supplements, i use Cytosport Musclemilk for Protein, I use ON's CGT-10 for Creatine, and i use AST Multi Pro 32X multivitamins.

also i just wanted to clear up anything i might have suggested about my weight training, i don' half ass, and i have a good workout plan in which i don't overtrain, and i have a pretty good knowledge of the workout part, i did not however know alot about the diet part that is why i was asking, now with your help and that of others i will gain more knowledge and be a step further to reaching my goal!

thanks again man and i will try it and it sounds great, it will be hard to prepare and fit the meals in but i will do it and will follow your advice about preparing all of them before hand!

if it isn't too much too much too ask could you please explain how and what you use to cook some of your meals, because i have no idea about cooking, such as chicken and the meats, and greens. also about the protein i use is it okay to take a shake before working out or not because i do that right now and i see that on the plan you posted it does not have pre workout shake.

what about sleep how important would you say that is because somedays i get very little but i can't help.
 
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Just to add my two pence in. Grill all your meat ideally and let the fat drain. This is the healthiest option. If you can steam your vegetables and for not too long so they still have a slight crunch to them, this will help keep more of the vitamins in them.

And with regard to sleep. It really is that important. Everyone goes on about 8 hrs a night, but if you can get 7 in especially before a training day you should be good.
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Old 03-14-2006, 08:29 PM   #12
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