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Old 02-19-2006, 10:33 PM   #1
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Im sure this has been asked over and over, but please try to be kind and not flame the living day lights out of me.

Alright, after long hours of thoughts and many sleepless nights, I have come to the conclusion that I MIGHT want to try a test only cycle (with sustanon). Granted, I am only 19.

I know a lot of people say not to do any kind of AAS until your later 20s, but I know a few guys in my gym who are 20 and while I have not asked them, I know they've done some kind of AAS. Im not doing it for that reason, I'd just like a little more size while trying to cut down and stay a little bit leaner without having to do a bulk up and eat like a cow.

Now I can do the rest of the research myself regarding how to take it and what PCT etc, my only question is would it hurt to take like 1cc of Sustanon a week for about 8 weeks (only sustanon) and do PCT after the 8th week?

Also what kind of sides would I be looking at for doing 1cc a week being 19 years old?

Please try to read this and help me out and not just flame me, thanks in advanced.

ALso if you have strong feelings of why I should not do an AAS at 19 go ahead and let me know and give me reasons, I am always openminded and will listen to what anyone has to say, thanks.
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Old 02-19-2006, 10:47 PM   #2
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well,if your gonna do it,which i dont personally recommend,id go with a single ester test..
make your you know exactly what your doing/getting into before you start..

Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction
 
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Old 02-19-2006, 11:06 PM   #3
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Ok, your sideeffects basically are telling me NOT to do it.

SO now my question is, at what age would you recommend it?

edit I see, mid 20s would be best time to start.

Thanks, appreciate the info thats all i needed to know to stay away from AAS.
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Old 02-21-2006, 06:12 AM   #4
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wait at least till youre 21....
try to reach youre natural boundry's before using any kind of roid. do research and inform youreself the best as possible
 
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:38 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Twitch
well,if your gonna do it,which i dont personally recommend,id go with a single ester test..
make your you know exactly what your doing/getting into before you start..

Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction

Best post in weeks, props to you Twitch.
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:28 PM   #6
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Ya I got it guys, after reading twitches post I looked up some more stuff and realized it just isnt worth it to rush into such a thing. I'll probably wait till im 23 before I reconsider roids, hopefully by then ill be closer to my natural limit and have a better idea on if I want to get any bigger.

Thanks again.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:18 PM   #7
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Ya I got it guys, after reading twitches post I looked up some more stuff and realized it just isnt worth it to rush into such a thing. I'll probably wait till im 23 before I reconsider roids, hopefully by then ill be closer to my natural limit and have a better idea on if I want to get any bigger.

Thanks again.
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:25 PM   #8
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you have no idea how nice it is to hear something like this
haha thanks man

I was just looking into it, but I do fully understand never to rush anything that involves your health, I mean at the end of the day we BB and lift to get stronger/look better and ultimately stay healthy, and rushing AAS just doesn't seem like it would benefit any of those goals.
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you have no idea how nice it is to hear something like this
lol..you got that right...

digink,good choice..much respect
keep up with the research..get the diet and training down..
if in a few years you decide to jump in..you'll be ready..

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From my research being 19 as well if you are thinking about using gear. Test is not the way to go right now. At this age our bodies are thriving in Test. You would be better off doing a cycle of deca for 8 weeks and maybe add some winstrol tabs or depot (injectable). As far as PCT would go for guys our age Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) is the Best way to go to curve side effects. You could also add 5000IU of HCG at the very end of the cycle. 500IU for x amount of weeks. This is only a suggestion, but you have to do your own homework.
 
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From my research being 19 as well if you are thinking about using gear. Test is not the way to go right now. At this age our bodies are thriving in Test. You would be better off doing a cycle of deca for 8 weeks and maybe add some winstrol tabs or depot (injectable). As far as PCT would go for guys our age Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) is the Best way to go to curve side effects. You could also add 5000IU of HCG at the very end of the cycle. 500IU for x amount of weeks. This is only a suggestion, but you have to do your own homework.
excellant suggestion
 
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Nice to see guys giving info on why he's too young rather than just insulting him. Great posts. Great info too.

It takes a lot of years to figure out what works best for your body, and if you wait til you're older, you'll probably hold on to your gains better anyway, since you'd know how your body grows best.

I'm 29 and I'm still trying to get my routine perfect.
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