Oral only cycle

**mindstar** · 12-27-2005, 05:52 PM

HI there

I am new to this forum, I discovered it after PAIN posted a great video on another forum I frequent.

I am thinking of doing an oral only cycle, as having pins around my house right now would end my relationship. Ok, I'm being a bit duplicitious, but whatever, I have goals.

I've never done a cycle of anything before, so I realise there will be a few people here who reccomend a Test only cycle for my first, but as I've said above, needles are definitely out for now.

My question is what sort of oral cycle should I do? Are things like superdrol more hepatoxic and less useful than var?

I'm looking to pack on some mass, and strength, especially in my legs. Right now I am 28, 6', 210lbs and about 15%. Optimally, I'd like to be the same weight at 8-9% at least. I'm on a three day split right now, after spending a few years on a 5 day split. Another BB'r told me I was overtraining @ 5 days, and I have noticed some moderate gains on the new 3 day split. I do cardio 6x a week right now.

Any and all thoughts are welcome, great board BTW!

**mindstar** · 12-28-2005, 03:05 AM

anyone?

bulldog21 · 12-28-2005, 12:05 PM

orals tend to be harder on your liver then injectables my suggestion if you were going to do oral only cycle for first time would be this:

Solid Meal Plan
Consistent, intense Training
Low impact cardio 5-6 days a week

Then:

a 6-7 week oral cycle starting with D-bol for four weeks then bring in either winstrol or anavar overlapping over a week with the d-bol to finish up as you said you wanted to put on a little size and stay relatively hard. Just my two cent opinion for what it is worth

philosopher · 12-28-2005, 12:08 PM

an oral only cycle... that could get a heavy dicussion.

orals are harder on the liver. This is because they have shorter "half-lives" than injectables. The half-life of a particular steroid is how long it stays active in your system. Because most orals have a shorter half-life than injectables, they need to be taken more often. This puts a huge strain on the liver. Oral steroids that are 17-alpha alkylated put even more strain on the liver.

i would choose var, winny or Turanabol

anavar: 40-80 mg/ed for nor more than 6-8 weeks'
winny: 30-50 mg/ed for not more than 6-8 weeks (17-alpha alkylated)
turanabol: 40-50 mg/ed for not more than 6-8 weeks

superdrol isnt as toxic as var but must never be used longer than 6-8 weeks
always use pct...!

**mindstar** · 12-28-2005, 07:01 PM

Thanks for the welcome guys, I have no desire to start an anti-oral steroids flame war or anything like that.

The reason I ask about orals is because I'm always hearing that if you're going to do a PH then you might as well go for full blown AS as the sides aren't as harsh and they're usually not as hepatoxic. However, since I am considering an oral only cycle, would PH really be that different than oral AS? Would the gains be that much better on AS and would the cost be greater?

Also, I had a case of gyno removed when I was a kid, even with the low aromatizing factor of these compounds, should I be worried?

I've got a diet down, and have been training for about 13 years consistently, I'm just thinking about breaking through to be where I really want in respect to my physique.

Also, on another note, anyone know if there are problems shipping Nolva or Clomid to Canada or shold I find a Canadian source?

Thanks again for the knowledge guys!

FIVE_8 · 12-29-2005, 03:48 PM

winny for 6-8 weeks @ 50 mg ED
proviron for 6-8 weeks @ 50 mg ED

standard PCT

**roccodart440** · 12-30-2005, 12:54 AM

Anavar or primo if you want something less liver toxic. Halotistin if you want something more liver toxic.

DOn't stack your 1st cycle. It's a really bad idea. How would you know what was giving you what resultys, side effects, etc? That's the idea behind a single compound 1st cycle.

Cerberus · 01-01-2006, 02:51 AM

what IS and how does PCT work?

Twitch · 01-01-2006, 04:38 AM

post cycle therapy
to get your natural test production going again

The hormones that drive the HPT axis(LH and GnRH) recover full potential quite quickly post cycle. The hypothalamus rapidly senses a low androgen level and pumps out GnRH and this tells the pituitary to release LH for testicular stimulation of T production..
The testes take a fair amount of time to "get going" after a long sleep and as a result T levels post cycle can be low for months(if greatly atrophied). This obviously results in a rapid loss of gains, not to mention phycological isssues such as depression as well as physical issues like fatigue.

**mindstar** · 01-06-2006, 12:50 AM

i think i've decided on a turanabol cycle pending availability and cashflow. I'll let you all know how it works out...thanks!

**roccodart440** · 01-10-2006, 12:37 AM

What was your rational in picking turnabol?

**mindstar** · 01-10-2006, 08:31 PM

Low puffyness, but maintainable gains. Var seemed like it might be a little harsh on my tendons, and i've heard dbol makes you look super puffy. Again, my choice was also limited to orals.

I'm up for hearing I'm wrong though, i've not got a source yet, so haven't started anything

**roccodart440** · 01-12-2006, 01:47 PM

Not saying you were wrong just asking why. I have heard very little about turinabol and it isn't een listed on the profile section of the main site I visit.

Dbol only sucks.

HAlotestin
Primo
Anavar.

Never heard anyone complain about tendons and anavar. Actually I never heard anyone complain about anavar in any way.

Let us know ho you make out