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Old 11-17-2005, 02:15 PM   #1
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Hey Guys

This is gonna be my first cycle which I'm starting out with Sustanon,250mg. on
Monday, possibly on Wednesday and Friday which I will run for 10 weeks.
Stacked with the Sustanon I will be taking 10 mg. of Dianabol 3 times a day
for the first month only. I was gonna take the D-Bol for two months but did
alot of research and found out that you shouldn't take for longer then a month
and 6 weeks being tops.
Diet will consist of 6 small meals a day protein totaling 300grams. Carbs will be
lots of oatmeal, potatoes, sweet potatoes and brown rice early in the day and
especially postworkout. My sister who used to be a nurse will be giving me the
injections. Since I'm a newbie to all of this all your help would be really appre-
ciated guys. How much can I expect to gain? And how long before I start to see
and feel results?

Thank You!
 
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Old 11-17-2005, 02:40 PM   #2
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so your doing 250mg of sustanon a week and 30mg of dbol a day? for me thats not enough test to gain anything.. but thats me.. im already 255lbs.. and plus your natural test production is around 250mg per week.. so i would wait and get at least up to 500mg per week.. and the dbol i would take an hour before your workout.. everything else looks fine..
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:38 PM   #3
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. and plus your natural test production is around 250mg per week.. ..
well,the normal male produces around 10mg a day...that would be like 70mg a week.....

as for the cycle,id opt for a single ester test especially if inj once a week..
 
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:39 PM   #4
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Posted by BASK8KACE on sculptedbyiron

Low dose cycles--Truth and myth.
If you've read some of my posts on other boards, you probably already have seen that I advocate suggesting low doses for beginners . Why jump into 600mg per week of test as a first or second cycle when it is highly likely you will get great gains using 200-300mg (in initial cycles)?

I keep seeing people write that 200mg of testosterone per week does nothing more than shut down a man's natural test production and bring him near "normal levels"--this is not quite correct. This incorrect statement has endured probably because someone wrote down thier idea/theory of what happens in the body, it sounded good, and other people repeated it. But, it is not correct. (I explain why it is incorrect below).

I was paranoid about side effects of testosterone on a normally functioning body, so I had my blood levels checked while on 200-250mg per week. The results of the tests indicated that the amount of testosterone in my blood was more than twice the high end of the normal range (The normal free testosterone range is 50.0-210.0 pg/ml*. My levels were found to be near 550 pg/ml). I also talked to my doctor and UPJOHN nurses a lot about using testosterone at these doses. Here's a brief bit of what I've learned from my doctor, the UPJOHN nursing staff (UPJOHN was the original manufacturer of Depo-testosterone a.k.a Testosterone Cypionate. The rights of Depo-testosterone was sold to PFIZER which now produces it under the name PHARMACIA), and professional medical documents:

*--NOTE: pg/ml is the correct unit notation.

Using a long acting ester testosterone (CYP and ENAN) does not mimic the normally functioning male body's circadian rhythm (daily rise and fall of testosterone). Testosterone, in a normally functioning body, does not explode up to high levels then gradually fall over a 1-2 week period as it does when injecting a testosterone such as CYP or ENAN. On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week).

The use of long acting esters are in theory supposed to slowly release the testosterone over a two week period, but this is not quite what happens. To keep it simple, the delay of the esters actually allows large amounts of testosterone to build up--especially if you are taking 200mg every week as opposed to once every two weeks (biweekly) which is what the dose is supposed to be. (I'm simplifying here). Remember the "normally functioning" male produces only (appx.) 70mg per week (=140mg per two weeks). The dose doctors are recommended to perscribe is 200mg every 2 weeks (biweekly), but they tend to give 200mg every week.

So, it is fallacious reasoning to compare the TOTAL amount of testosterone produced in daily spurts in a normally functioning body over a 2 week period to the same amount of testosterone injected in one shot at the beginning of a week and reshot every week (before the previous week's dose is used up). The latter case (injections once per week) results in an overlap and build up of dose which causes the levels of testosterone to be HIGHER than normal. (Remember the shots should actually be 200mg every TWO weeks--not every week). These excess levels of testosterone are sufficient to build lean body mass faster than the "normally functioning" male.

In other words: addding up what the average male body produces per week then comparing that to the amount that is shot every week is like comparing apples to oranges. There is a whole diferent set of advantageous reactions happening in the body when it is given a full
2-week load (200mg) at the beginning of a week as opposed to getting naturally occuring, small, daily spurts of appx 10mg over the same period of time (2 weeks).

This is why a low dose cycle can yeild REASONABLE gains. Understand, I'm not talking mega-huge-fast gains. I'm talking noticably-faster-than-normal gains, which when coupled with a strict diet, sufficient rest and an excellent bodybuilding work ethic, can yeild large, solid gains (especially early in a person's cycle experience).
 
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:41 PM   #5
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u got good points..
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Old 11-17-2005, 08:11 PM   #6
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so your doing 250mg of sustanon a week and 30mg of dbol a day? for me thats not enough test to gain anything.. but thats me.. im already 255lbs.. and plus your natural test production is around 250mg per week.. so i would wait and get at least up to 500mg per week.. and the dbol i would take an hour before your workout.. everything else looks fine..



Serbmarko I'm doing 250mg. on Mon. 250mg on Wedn. and another 250mg. on Friday. So you think I shouldnt take the d bol 3 times a day but just take one single dose before I workout? Because the research I've done says that d bol only last around 4 hours and that you should take it 3 to 4 times a day. And my final question is what I would really like to get an estimate on how much weight do you think I'll gain?
For PCT I will be doing Nolvadex and I know Im gonna get hammered on this one but its a Test booster and estrogen blocker by ALRI called Ultra Hotter which I've read from experts that say its better then Nolvadex.


Twitch thanks alot for all the info bro I learned alot from your article!!!! I really appreciate it!!!!
 
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:55 AM   #7
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oh ok.. so your doing 750mg a week.. now thats what im talking about... youll see great gains man... i wouldnt doubt it if u gained 25 lbs on this cycle to be honest.. my first cycle ever I gained 20 lbs on deca and winny... as for the dbol.. i guess if your taking them before the test kicks in.. its ok to devide during the day.. but i know when i have test in me and im running stuff already.. dbol is just a great kicker for my workout..
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Old 11-18-2005, 12:55 PM   #8
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D-BOL PUMPS are by far the craziest, only thing to wacth out for is the lower back pumps, those cant make a workout not very fun but if you got a belt you should be fine ,.....untill you unbuckle it!!
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Old 11-18-2005, 09:29 PM   #9
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Thanks Serbmarko, Seekinfo! Man 25 pounds WOW! Can't wait to get this cycle started!
 
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:18 PM   #10
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25 pounds huh...man i wish i was old enough lol
 
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Old 11-19-2005, 11:17 AM   #11
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.....untill you unbuckle it!!
LMAO!

Been there.
 
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:16 AM   #12
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serbmarko or seekinfo, could you expect to see the same types of gains with omnadren in the place of sust.?
 
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:55 PM   #13
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if you eat right and everything you should gain at least 25-35 lbs
 
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