Some more questions

Diesel · 09-01-2005, 07:54 PM

Im not going to get on steroids for another 2-3 years. I do have some questions tho. I figure that when i decide to start I will take testosterone propinate or however u spell it. what else would be good to cycle w/ that. And, how should u train during the off cycle period? Im asking b/c some ppl say to go heavier and some ppl say to go lighter.

Thanks

tee · 09-01-2005, 08:33 PM

Test Propionate probably wouldn't be the best test for you on a first cycle. The only reason being is because you would need ED or EOD shots. Why not try testosterone cypionate or testosterone Enanthate? You would be much happier. Since its your first cycle, you shouldn't add in anything else. The test alone at 400-500mg a week would be great. If you are wondering why you shouldn't stack for the first cycle, please read my reasons as to why thread posted below. Good luck!
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First cycle advice:

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I always get people asking, “What is a good first cycle?” My answer is, and always will be, “TEST!” There are many reasons why test is recommended for a first cycle, but here is a few quick answers for you.

Taking any steroids will shut your natural testosterone production down. This can lead to impotence. Deca and tren are not the only steroids that can cause this; any drug can, when not accompanied by test.Therefore, test should be the base for all cycles, and you should know what it will and can do to you. You need to know if it raises your blood pressure, if you are prone to gyno, if you will retain water or not, and what gains it gives you in the dose you are taking. Adding another drug in the first cycle stack can cause problems.

For example: You take a first cycle of 600mg test and 400 mg Deca for 12 weeks. All of a sudden, you start to get gyno symptoms. What is causing it? Is it the test or is it the Deca? Well, you better know because you will have to know what to take to address the problem correctly. Had you taken a first cycle of test only, you would know if you are going to get itchy nips from it or not.

I hope this explains my position on why I recommend test for a first cycle. You will have plenty of time in the future to add in all kinds of other AAS if you wish. Taking one step at a time will definitely help you to understand your own body better than just jumping in with both feet and getting into trouble.
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bennythehulk · 09-01-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tee

Test Propionate probably wouldn't be the best test for you on a first cycle. The only reason being is because you would need ED or EOD shots. Why not try testosterone cypionate or testosterone Enanthate? You would be much happier. Since its your first cycle, you shouldn't add in anything else. The test alone at 400-500mg a week would be great. If you are wondering why you shouldn't stack for the first cycle, please read my reasons as to why thread posted below. Good luck!
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First cycle advice:

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I always get people asking, “What is a good first cycle?” My answer is, and always will be, “TEST!” There are many reasons why test is recommended for a first cycle, but here is a few quick answers for you.

Taking any steroids will shut your natural testosterone production down. This can lead to impotence. Deca and tren are not the only steroids that can cause this; any drug can, when not accompanied by test.Therefore, test should be the base for all cycles, and you should know what it will and can do to you. You need to know if it raises your blood pressure, if you are prone to gyno, if you will retain water or not, and what gains it gives you in the dose you are taking. Adding another drug in the first cycle stack can cause problems.

For example: You take a first cycle of 600mg test and 400 mg Deca for 12 weeks. All of a sudden, you start to get gyno symptoms. What is causing it? Is it the test or is it the Deca? Well, you better know because you will have to know what to take to address the problem correctly. Had you taken a first cycle of test only, you would know if you are going to get itchy nips from it or not.

I hope this explains my position on why I recommend test for a first cycle. You will have plenty of time in the future to add in all kinds of other AAS if you wish. Taking one step at a time will definitely help you to understand your own body better than just jumping in with both feet and getting into trouble.
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thats really great info thanx alot

thicknasty · 09-02-2005, 12:17 AM

I would run a slower acting test along with the prop such as cyp or enan. I think 200mgs of cyp along with 100mgs. prop in the same syringe every monday and friday would be a good start. You'll only have to stick yourself twice a week and the prop will help kick start your cycle.

as far as training goes, it's is very important that you continue to train when off so that your natural test levels will revamp quicker and you'll keep your gains better. i would, however, drop the total number of sets while coming off because you're recovering capabilities will not be as great as they were when you were on.

Diesel · 09-02-2005, 12:29 AM

thanks guys, got another question too. what is a good way/supplement to help decrease estrogen levels and not have to worry about that whole mess

thicknasty · 09-02-2005, 01:09 PM

I wouldn't worry about estrogen levels until after the cycle is finished. If you do, however, experience any hardening of the nips in the midts or the cycle then taking around 20-40mgs. of Nolvadex a day can really help, but I wouldn't use any anti-E's in the midst of a cycle unless you got problems with gyno. If you have no problems during your cycle then I would just use an HCG/Clomid PCT at the end to help regulate your natural hormone levels quickly.